First time hearing about the Virgin Mary

[Machavelle]

And why is he in hiding

 

[Machavelle]

Serious question, why does God not show himself

 

[FearGod]

So what produced god and what is he made from.

Do you agree that there should be a thing and that thing should always be there ?

 

[Machavelle]

Do you agree that there should be a thing and that thing should always be there ?

I agree with what you said, something cannot come from nothing, so what kind of matter created God, don't tell me he was already there. That's what the fleas think about my dog they were born on, but guess what, he came from somewhere, the fleas don't know that.

 

[outhouse]

True but once proven it's no longer really just a theory, it's now a fact,

Not true. While evolution is a fact, it is still a scientific theory. What many people do not realize is that no amount of credible knowledge or facts can turn a scientific theory into anything else. It will always be a theory.

God is just a theory, until proven to exist that's all he is.

God is not a theory. He is a mythological based religious deity. Scientifically gods do not exist, because there is nothing to test or observe.

Something actually has to exist to be a theory.

And I would not even place god into the hypothesis group, because all credible evidence points to a man made creation.

 

[outhouse]

So what produced god and what is he made from.

So far man creates god, he is made of ink and paper at the moment, and lives as conscious thought in many people.

 

[Machavelle]

Not true. While evolution is a fact, it is still a scientific theory. What many people do not realize is that no amount of credible knowledge or facts can turn a scientific theory into anything else. It will always be a theory.



God is not a theory. He is a mythological based religious deity. Scientifically gods do not exist, because there is nothing to test or observe.

Something actually has to exist to be a theory.

And I would not even place god into the hypothesis group, because all credible evidence points to a man made creation.

You are right, all credible evidence within our current capacity, could be that you die and find out otherwise, you can't totally dismiss anything

 

[outhouse]

could be that you die and find out otherwise

Sorry I trust academia and science.

Not mythology of ancient men who though volcanos were mad gods these same people evolved the soul mythology.

At this time a soul does not exist outside mythology. It could not be to the point I am certain.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The narrative says specifically that she had not "known" any man. The author gives other clues as well. The author wanted to put forth the idea that Jesus was brought forth apart from the usual method. The author wanted the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit to be that method.

I don't discount a literal virgin birth. Despite what certain people say, it is not a scientific impossibility. But, neither do I discount Joseph being the natural father. Obviously, Joseph was dropped from the majority of the Jesus' story for a reason. He may have been viewed as a source of shame, or some other notoriety, too great or inconvenient to mention. And lastly, neither do I discount the possibilities of rape or promiscuity.

Eh. It could be anything. As long as believers get the point they want to get, I think it's fine. Just it makes sense that virgins are not virgins anymore when they give birth, that's all.

 

[Sleeppy]

Sorry but there is no changing of sex here, and this has nothing AT ALL to do with biblical mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha-reductase_deficiency

The condition affects only genetic males

DHT has no known role in female development

Individuals with 5-ARD are born with male gonads, including testicles and Wolffian structures

You missed the actual point.

Thanks, for the additional source.

 

[Sleeppy]

You do not discount a lot of things academia does

Virgin birth is not an impossibility.

 

[outhouse]

You missed the actual point.

No I did not. Your provided a rhetorical out of context quote, that did not apply in any way to the OP.

Or what he/she should look at.

 

[outhouse]

Virgin birth is not an impossibility.

Really you agree with academia fully?

 

[David1967]

Is that how it is taught in church today, unmarried woman.

We are not living in Biblical times after all yet it is still being preached to the masses.

Hello Machavelle. It is interesting to see what someone with no previous exposure to this reacts on hearing it. Here in the USA especially I don't know anyone who is not familiar with this teaching. But as far as what is taught in the vast majority of churches (I say that because Christianity has become so splintered that I dare not speak for them all) is that Mary was indeed a virgin therefore making the birth of Jesus a miracle. My Muslim friends, to my understanding, and they can correct me if I am wrong, even accept the idea that Jesus was born of a virgin. Thanks for this thread. I would have loved to have been there to see this interaction. BTW , I actually visited a Mahayana Buddhist temple near my home and had a very good and, pardon the pun, 'enlightening' visit with the nuns there even helping them set up the table for tea. I really enjoyed it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What exactly are we supposed to be debating in this thread?

 

[Katzpur]

My Wife and I are both Buddhist, I came into it at age 14, my wife since birth.

Recently after being hounded by a Christian woman to convert she politely excused herself and left.

Knowing absolutely nothing about Christianity she asked why the lady refered to Mary as the Virgin Mary, I explained the story of Mary and Jesus.

It was interesting to see the reaction from a woman from a Village who has not grown up with these stories.

she believes she had an affair and lied to her husband, and he convinced himself it's true through Fear of losing his beloved wife, how it grew from there is what really amazed her.

Bottom line, Virgin's Cannot give Birth, and she finds it very amusing.

No offence to Christians, just an interesting moment seeing a point of view of someone completely ignorant of any Bible teachings as we only see generally opinions from those who grew up with these stories.

I can imagine what it would be like hearing about a "virgin birth" for the first time as an adult! I think that we Christians -- at least in the U.S. where Christians are such a majority -- can hardly conceive of the idea that there are billions of people who don't know the first thing about Christian doctrines. My son (a no-longer-practicing Mormon) is very serious with a Hindu woman. Last Easter, the two of them got together with my daughter and her boyfriend/partner and watched "Jesus Christ Superstar." Of course, it takes a lot of liberties with the biblical story of the last week of Christ's life, but my son's girlfriend was absolutely clueless about the entire story. She didn't have the foggiest idea what was going on and ended up falling asleep while they were watching it.

Of course a "virgin birth" is supposedly "impossible." That's why Christians -- who believe it really happened -- see it as a miracle, as something completely inexplicable. Most religious people, regardless of whether they are Christian or not, believe in some things that cannot be explained. Technically speaking, I would say that a woman who has never had sex but becomes pregnant through artificial insemination is a "virgin." If the Abrahamic God, the God of the Bible, really does exist, and if He created not only our universe but all life on it, He is certainly capable of impregnating a young woman and leaving her still a virgin.

 

[Katzpur]

As I understand it, a more accurate translation of "virgin" with respect to women in the Bible is actually "unmarried woman" given the time period in which it was written.

I disagree. Even though the word/s translated as "virgin" may possibly also be translated as an "unmarried woman," the New Testament makes it quite clear that Mary tells the angel Gabriel that she has "never known a man." She claims to be a virgin in that sense, and Joseph is told in a vision that this is the case. So whether or not people want to believe it, the Bible does tell us that Mary was a virgin (in the way we use the word today) both before she conceived and before she gave birth to Jesus. For the record, though, the Bible does not say -- or even remotely imply -- that she remained a virgin throughout her married life.

 

[outhouse]

I disagree. Even though the word/s translated as "virgin" may possibly also be translated as an "unmarried woman," the New Testament makes it quite clear that Mary tells the angel Gabriel that she has "never known a man." She claims to be a virgin in that sense, and Joseph is told in a vision that this is the case. So whether or not people want to believe it, the Bible does tell us that Mary was a virgin (in the way we use the word today) both before she conceived and before she gave birth to Jesus. For the record, though, the Bible does not say -- or even remotely imply -- that she remained a virgin throughout her married life.

Your helping build my case more then your own

 

[Katzpur]

Your helping build my case more then your own

Well, I haven't really been following what you've been saying. I just noticed this thread for the first time and responded to the OP without reading any of the other posts. Frankly, I wasn't even attempting to "build a case" at all. I was mostly just giving my perspective on the topic and not trying to convince anyone of anything. But, hey, I'm always happy to be of service.

 

[Sleeppy]

No I did not. Your provided a rhetorical out of context quote, that did not apply in any way to the OP.

Or what he/she should look at.

I'm pretty sure the OP got the message.