First time hearing about the Virgin Mary

[Sleeppy]

Dont you think its word play?

We call women who have Not given birth virgins.
We call people who do, no virgins

If Mary was virgin and gave birth to a child she is no longer a virgin. There isnt anything behind it. i.e. Its just once you hit a certain age, you no longer a teenager. Cant be both.

That, and it could be what Quien said, unmarried woman. That makes more sense when rereading the stories. Unmarried woman can give birth.

The narrative says specifically that she had not "known" any man. The author gives other clues as well. The author wanted to put forth the idea that Jesus was brought forth apart from the usual method. The author wanted the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit to be that method.

I don't discount a literal virgin birth. Despite what certain people say, it is not a scientific impossibility. But, neither do I discount Joseph being the natural father. Obviously, Joseph was dropped from the majority of the Jesus' story for a reason. He may have been viewed as a source of shame, or some other notoriety, too great or inconvenient to mention. And lastly, neither do I discount the possibilities of rape or promiscuity.

 

[George-ananda]

Absolutely, however like all sensible people she like me would like to witness the miracle.

So would we all, but this is now ancient history so no one can know with certainty.

The problem lies in the contradictions, it makes it very difficult to believe a book that is so contradicting.

Ah, I see your bigger agenda. The OP restricted itself to the 'Virgin Birth' miracle.

 

[outhouse]

Show her this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...here-little-girls-turn-into-boys-aged-12.html

You and your wife don't determine where the bottom line is.

Sorry but there is no changing of sex here, and this has nothing AT ALL to do with biblical mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha-reductase_deficiency

The condition affects only genetic males

DHT has no known role in female development

Individuals with 5-ARD are born with male gonads, including testicles and Wolffian structures

 

[FearGod]

You can show me males, females, bacteria, you cannot show me Mary, therefore I cannot be sure.

Do you believe in creation or the nature did it ?

 

[outhouse]

I don't discount a literal virgin birth.

You do not discount a lot of things academia does

 

[outhouse]

Do you believe in creation or the nature did it ?

Creation Is factual mythology.

 

[outhouse]

But, neither do I discount Joseph being the natural father. Obviously, Joseph was dropped from the majority of the Jesus' story for a reason. He may have been viewed as a source of shame, or some other notoriety, too great or inconvenient to mention. And lastly, neither do I discount the possibilities of rape or promiscuity.

The academic reality here is, we don't know anything about Jesus childhood or birth or his family.

We think he had brothers and sisters, which would be typical.

We think he was brought up very poor and lived a life below a peasant, while this is debated, what is not is that he probably suffered malnutrition.

My personal opinion is that we don't know, and I would say he was as poor as they come, and lived in filth and very terrible conditions.


As far as his real father its hard to tell, when your writing some one is as "son of god" you would think they would naturally downplay his biologic father. He also may have died at an early age, been sold as a slave, died in battle, or starved, or died from the many common diseases.

 

[Machavelle]

Do you believe in creation or the nature did it ?

As Buddha said, it is beyond our understanding and will not contribute to making us a better person.

I was not around during creating, may have been God, maybe God created the big bang

Who knows, absolutely no one, faith is not fact

 

[FearGod]

Creation Is factual mythology.

And according to science life evolved from a genderless single celled bacteria to what human is now.

 

[outhouse]

And according to science life evolved from a genderless single celled bacteria to what human is now.

That is Factual.

So what? Has nothing to do with this gentleman's OP

 

[Machavelle]

That is Factual.

So what? Has nothing to do with this gentleman's OP

Science is ahead somewhat, they have theories, then they go about proving them, faith is just theory period.

 

[FearGod]

As Buddha said, it is beyond our understanding and will not contribute to making us a better person.

I was not around during creating, may have been God, maybe God created the big bang

Who knows, absolutely no one, faith is not fact

So anything is possible since we can't know.
If God is the creator then he can do what he wants, and if things may happen by coincidence
then males and females existed by nature due to coincidences.

 

[Machavelle]

So anything is possible since we can't know.
If God is the creator then he can do what he wants, and if things may happen by coincidence
then males and females existed by nature due to coincidences.

It may be, until we find out, all we have is theories, but I will not preach mine as facts without proof, that's foolish.

 

[outhouse]

So anything is possible since we can't know.

Factually wrong.

Anything is factually not possible. Nature has rules in many cases.

If God is the creator

So far mythology does not exist in any part of nature as a credible explanation.

and if things may happen by coincidence
then males and females existed by nature due to coincidences.

Evolution is fact. And no mythology can be attributed to such.

 

[outhouse]

It may be, until we find out, all we have is theories

Many theories are factual.

 

[Machavelle]

How did God come to be, far more complicated then us coming to be, yet you don't believe we came without God.

But you will believe God just came about.

 

[Machavelle]

Many theories are factual.

True but once proven it's no longer really just a theory, it's now a fact, God is just a theory, until proven to exist that's all he is.

 

[FearGod]

How did God come to be, far more complicated then us coming to be, yet you don't believe we came without God.

But you will believe God just came about.

Because there should be a thing, and that thing should be always existing, as nothingness
can never produce a thing.

 

[Machavelle]

So would we all, but this is now ancient history so no one can know with certainty.


Ah, I see your bigger agenda. The OP restricted itself to the 'Virgin Birth' miracle.

We can't know for sure, but it's being preached as a certainty still

And I have chosen this subject, no agenda, I cannot list all the other stories that don't add up, would take weeks.

 

[Machavelle]

Because there should be a thing, and that thing should be always existing, as nothingness
can never produce a thing.

So what produced god and what is he made from.