Fixing the scripture ...

[paarsurrey]

Yes, and the Book of Mormon was revealed to fix the Quran. You should defer to the Book of Mormon.

Please quote from the Book of Mormon where it mentions Quran and its claims to fix Quran and the reasons it gives.
Regards

 

[rosends]

Please quote from the Book of Mormon where it mentions Quran and its claims to fix Quran and the reasons it gives.
Regards

Oh, it doesn't say that -- it presents a series of events which are not found in the Quran because it is fixing the erroneous narrative! If the Quran had told events accurately, the Book of Mormon wouldn't be necessary!

 

[paarsurrey]

Oh, it doesn't say that -- it presents a series of events which are not found in the Quran because it is fixing the erroneous narrative! If the Quran had told events accurately, the Book of Mormon wouldn't be necessary!

So, you are not Jewish but you follow Book of Mormon. Right?
Regards

 

[rosends]

So, you are not Jewish but you follow Book of Mormon. Right?
Regards

Nope, I'm Jewish but if you want me to believe that the Quran fixes the Torah, then you had better believe that the BOM fixes the Quran. If not, you are choosing an arbitrary line to draw.

 

[paarsurrey]

Nope, I'm Jewish but if you want me to believe that the Quran fixes the Torah, then you had better believe that the BOM fixes the Quran. If not, you are choosing an arbitrary line to draw.

Quran claims what I asked you and gives reasons while Book of Mormon does not claim any such thing about Quran. Right?
Regards

 

[rosends]

Quran claims what I asked you and gives reasons while Book of Mormon does not claim any such thing about Quran. Right?
Regards

Quran claims it and Book of Mormon does it. Are you saying that the Bok Of Mormon, and its version of biblical events is, gasp, WRONG? Are you dare saying that the later text, when it retells stories from the bible is NOT CORRECT?

 

[paarsurrey]

Mestemia said: ↑
Use the Koran to "correct" the Bible?
:biglaugh:
No agenda there...

No occasion to laugh. It is a serious matter.
One aspect as to why Quran was revealed was to fix the Bible (OT& NT).
Regards

Yes, and the Book of Mormon was revealed to fix the Quran. You should defer to the Book of Mormon.

Oh, it doesn't say that -- it presents a series of events which are not found in the Quran because it is fixing the erroneous narrative! If the Quran had told events accurately, the Book of Mormon wouldn't be necessary!

Quran claims it and Book of Mormon does it. Are you saying that the Bok Of Mormon, and its version of biblical events is, gasp, WRONG? Are you dare saying that the later text, when it retells stories from the bible is NOT CORRECT?

Your first answer was "Oh, it doesn't say that" and now you say, if I have correctly understood you "and Book of Mormon does it". Please remove the apparent contradiction. My original comments in Post #9 was in respect of Bible and not Book of Mormon.
Regards

 

[McBell]

No occasion to laugh. It is a serious matter.
One aspect as to why Quran was revealed was to fix the Bible (OT& NT).
Regards

And the reason for the BoM is to correct the Koran.

Interesting how God is so careless with his word.

 

[rosends]

Mestemia said: ↑
Use the Koran to "correct" the Bible?
:biglaugh:
No agenda there...




Your first answer was "Oh, it doesn't say that" and now you say, if I have correctly understood you "and Book of Mormon does it". Please remove the apparent contradiction. My original comments in Post #9 was in respect of Bible and not Book of Mormon.
Regards

No contradiction -- read carefully:

1. It doesn't SAY it
2. it DOES it

See how those work together -- it doesn't have to make a claim if it performs the function. Now, go back, put on your thinking hat, and try again.

 

[Katzpur]

Quran claims it and Book of Mormon does it. Are you saying that the Book Of Mormon, and its version of biblical events is, gasp, WRONG? Are you dare saying that the later text, when it retells stories from the bible is NOT CORRECT?

Two points and then I'm outta here.

1. The Book of Mormon has absolutely nothing to do with any Bible events.
2. This is the stupidest thread I've seen in a long time.

 

[rosends]

Two points and then I'm outta here.

1. The Book of Mormon has absolutely nothing to do with any Bible events.
2. This is the stupidest thread I've seen in a long time.

Gosh...number 1 is how I feel about the Quran. Glad you see what I'm getting at.

 

[Muffled]

Dear muf,
The quote from 2 cor 12:7 is," there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, to keep me from exalting myself"
Apparently Paul carries in his body/flesh, a messenger of Satan. Messengers from Satan are demons/unclean spirits. The Spirit of God does not share space with demons.

With respect to your believing that God speaks through your Spirit filled "Christians" and "not to them", I don't think you will get much support from even your own "Christians" on that wild leap. 1 John 2:27 states that the anointing teaches the individual about all things. That would be a personal revelation to the individual from the Spirit of God. Plus the average "Christian" doesn't think they can speak for God, and they struggle even to get along with their neighbors. Other than that, your double talk kind of reminds me of George Orwell's 1984, I don't know what to say about your double speak.

I believe there is no evidence that spirits take up space. I also have a demon buffet me at times. Since I am God's property I believe God allows this since God will not be defeated by a demon.

I beleive you are correct. True Christianity is often quite different from what is practiced. However you are correct that God does speak to people but that is not a distinct Christian quality. God can speak to anyone He wants. I also have God speak to me on occasion instead of through me and the diffeence is probably whether I am ministering or being ministered.

I believe this was more of a common occurrence when I was younger in my faith.

I agree that I believe I have grown beyond what the average Christian experiences and the change was fairly recent but it is consistent with Biblical theology of what a Christian can be. However I do not speak for God I allow God to speak through me. I would never be so presumptuous as to speak for God.

I believe I must not be in the company of average Christians since I don't know any that don't get along with neighbors. Maybe you mean we don't accede to the wishes of sinners that we join them by accepting their sin.

I believe you will have to explain this to me since I don't recognize any.

 

[Muffled]

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away."

What do Christians take from this verse?

I believe the words are rembered in the spirit and though worlds may be gone the spirit will reamin and even if God removes our spirits, He will still remain with His word.

 

[Muffled]

No occasion to laugh. It is a serious matter.
One aspect as to why Quran was revealed was to fix the Bible (OT& NT).
Regards

I believe that is not true. There is nothing in the Qu'ran about fixing the Bible. There are statements that pertain to Christian practices (extra Biblical) that God doesn't like but God speaking through me finds practices and beliefs of Muslims that He doesn't like also.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

An example.

Let's start with some examples of Psalm 34:15-17.

King James Version

• The eyes of the LORD [are] upon the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their cry.
• The face of the LORD [is] against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
• [The righteous] cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.

New Jerusalem Bible

• The eyes of Yahweh are on the upright, his ear turned to their cry.
• But Yahweh's face is set against those who do evil, to cut off the memory of them from the earth.
• They cry in anguish and Yahweh hears, and rescues them from all their troubles

Segal

• The eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous, His ears toward their outcry.
• The face of the LORD is against evildoers, to cut off their memory from the earth.
• They cry out, and the LORD hears, and from all their troubles He saves them.

The bracketed emendation found in the KJV is not uncommon, but the other two examples are more accurate. Clearly the KJV is trying to make sense of something that otherwise does not - at least not on the surface. What's going on here?

I may be missing the point, but aren't they all saying the same thing, basically that God will look out for the righteous and ignore the evildoers?

 

[2ndpillar]

I believe there is no evidence that spirits take up space. I also have a demon buffet me at times. Since I am God's property I believe God allows this since God will not be defeated by a demon.

I beleive you are correct. True Christianity is often quite different from what is practiced. However you are correct that God does speak to people but that is not a distinct Christian quality. God can speak to anyone He wants. I also have God speak to me on occasion instead of through me and the diffeence is probably whether I am ministering or being ministered.

I believe this was more of a common occurrence when I was younger in my faith.

I agree that I believe I have grown beyond what the average Christian experiences and the change was fairly recent but it is consistent with Biblical theology of what a Christian can be. However I do not speak for God I allow God to speak through me. I would never be so presumptuous as to speak for God.

I believe I must not be in the company of average Christians since I don't know any that don't get along with neighbors. Maybe you mean we don't accede to the wishes of sinners that we join them by accepting their sin.

I believe you will have to explain this to me since I don't recognize any.

Dear muf,
Sorry to hear about your demon, but unclean spirits are not good, and are associated with the "dragon", "beast" and "false prophet" (Rev 16:13). The demons are meant to lead their hosts astray, as in the case of Paul, and his disciples, and apparently you are a follower of Paul, the false prophet. Unclean spirits reside in "unoccupied" places, such as not occupied by the Spirit of God. (Mt 12:43-45)

Matthew 12:43-45 [Full Chapter]
“Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.”

Revelation 16:13
And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs;

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Two points and then I'm outta here.

1. The Book of Mormon has absolutely nothing to do with any Bible events.
2. This is the stupidest thread I've seen in a long time.

I hope that you meant 'post' rather than 'thread.' I try very hard to avoid authoring stupid threads.

 

[Katzpur]

I hope that you meant 'post' rather than 'thread.' I try very hard to avoid authoring stupid threads.

LOL! I didn't mean "thread"; sorry, I put it that way. I didn't just mean "post" either. I was referring to the whole back and forth dialogue going on suggesting that the Book of Mormon is somehow a different "version" of Biblical events. Too bad so many people find it difficult to simply address the topic posed by the OP.

 

[12jtartar]

An example.

Let's start with some examples of Psalm 34:15-17.

King James Version

• The eyes of the LORD [are] upon the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their cry.
• The face of the LORD [is] against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
• [The righteous] cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.

New Jerusalem Bible

• The eyes of Yahweh are on the upright, his ear turned to their cry.
• But Yahweh's face is set against those who do evil, to cut off the memory of them from the earth.
• They cry in anguish and Yahweh hears, and rescues them from all their troubles

Segal

• The eyes of the LORD are toward the righteous, His ears toward their outcry.
• The face of the LORD is against evildoers, to cut off their memory from the earth.
• They cry out, and the LORD hears, and from all their troubles He saves them.

The bracketed emendation found in the KJV is not uncommon, but the other two examples are more accurate. Clearly the KJV is trying to make sense of something that otherwise does not - at least not on the surface. What's going on here?

Jayhawker Soule,
It seems that you are just trying to find something about the Bible that you can disagreè with, really because you want an excuse for no obeying God's word.
Any serious searcher of truth knows that there are a variety of ways to translate, and it takes a person who knows the Bible very good to know exactly which words convey the message from God accurately.
If you look in any dictionary, you will find many synonyms for words. Any of these words can techncally be used, but the correct one is the one that agrees with the rest of the Bible.
Did you know that Hebrew is read from right to left, and the different parts of speech are put in different sequences than in English. This makes translation difficult, even for someone very familiar with the languages. A comparison of different Bibles is what is needed for an English speaker to understand what is translated. This is true because there are several words that can be translated for a word, but only one may be right for complete accuracy.
All modern Bibles are accurate, but by comparison, a serious student of the Bible can see nuances and subtleties of understanding.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Jayhawker Soule,
It seems that you are just trying to find something about the Bible that you can disagreè with, ...

Nonsense.