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Poor things! No wonder Scottish birds want independence.
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Flirting vs. Sexual Harassment
- Thread starter Rational Agnostic
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Poor things! No wonder Scottish birds want independence.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
Unconscious sexual signalling.
Men need to study this.
Most researchers agree that only around one third of men are aware of the signals women are sending loud and clear.
The really interesting thing is that many women are unaware of it too, and often flirt hard core without realising it.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Why would the HR think like you do ?
Having a concern for co-workers dating, or making advances, has fallen out of fashion.
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
It is pretty much impossible to know whether an advance will be welcome until you either try it yourself or the other person has made it absolutely clear that is the case. There are some cues but they can be easily misunderstood one way or another. Now, of course I agree with you when you say that if you think a certain approach might be seen as harassment you better refrain from doing it. I just feel that the OP is portraying what counts as harassment in a twisted manner.
Really...this thread is full of double standards.
What I have understood: the male cannot do anything, not even ask a colleague out..otherwise he is called a creep, a pervert, a pig...etc...
A woman can do anything, au contraire.
She can ask her colleague out, she can hit on him...she can seduce him by wearing miniskirts, revealing dresses, etc...
Ok. Double Standards.
What I have understood: the male cannot do anything, not even ask a colleague out..otherwise he is called a creep, a pervert, a pig...etc...
A woman can do anything, au contraire.
She can ask her colleague out, she can hit on him...she can seduce him by wearing miniskirts, revealing dresses, etc...
Ok. Double Standards.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
Males are visual animals, while females are verbal animals. This has been shown by science via the differences in how the brain is wired. There are a list of PC taboo audio cues, that men are not allowed to say to women. Shouldn't there also be a parallel list of visual cues, that men can claim, cause sexual arousal, which can induce sexual related audio feedback, that is taboo?
In a sane world, not controlled by dual standard Progression propaganda, women flirt with visual cues, such as smiling, eye contact, or flipping the hair. They also use additional visual clues such as showing more skin, cleavage, colorful clothes, and makeup. The male, if interested, has to respond with audio cues, such as an opening line, complements, bragging, and even lying. Each appeals to the strength of the other.
What appears to have happened is the Progressives have made another natural human team construct, unnatural, by allowing the female to generate inductive visual cues, while making it taboo for the male bird to sing a feedback response.
Progressive tend to create constructs that divide people via dual standards. This schema is common throughout their religion. It seems to always work out that their card carrying members never have to carry the crap end of the stick. Rational people should not recognize any of these divisive dual standards, but should maintain the justice of the mutually favorable natural paths.
Men need to stand up. Currently the economy in the US has made it hard to find for employers to find employees. If the men all decided to break the PC rules, on any given day, what will the employers do? They will not fire all the men and leave the company short. They will come to the bargaining table and will need to make two lists that are fair, to both sexes, or no list which is also fair. It is time to take back natural from the polluters of the mind and heart. Women like men with spirit.
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PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
It was a joke to make light of the fact people occasionally use the phrase "I'm attracted to..." to control rather than state what they're attracted to.
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
Welcome to 21st century America.
There's a Far Side cartoon (can't find it right now) where it shows the Love Boat unwittingly sailing into the Straits of Hormuz. I always wanted to see them face some sort of sea disaster, like a typhoon or a tidal wave.
Even without any kind of repercussions like we have now, I have found that dating co-workers/colleagues can be fraught with complications - especially if you have a bad breakup and you still have to keep seeing the person on a regular basis at work.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Even if you notice the signals you might be misreading them though.
But work places often have dress codes, don't they ? I think you are blowing this completely out of proportion.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
It is the nature of the beast. However, not even trying to get a date with someone you really like might lead to a ton of negative feelings too. So there is no escape.
Yes...it very often happens in high school too. 5 years in the same class as your ex bf...
But teenagers tend to show maturity and to move on. Sometimes more than adults.
Life was so much simpler years ago:
* Social connections were usually formed through a series of meetings, usually beginning with morning calls to the homes of those in fashionable society.
* Morning calls were generally undertaken in the afternoon.
* A morning call did not usually exceed half an hour.
* In London, a woman paid morning calls to her social equals or inferiors but not to her social superiors until they had called on her or left a card.
* A person new to the city or country area waited for calls of ceremony to be made to them by those already established before they made a call of their own.
* In the country it was acceptable for a man to make a call or leave a card with someone of higher social standing if they were new to the neighbourhood.
* A gentleman calling on a family asked for the mistress of the house if the visit was a social one, and the master if it was a business call.
* A card was left if the lady of the house was indisposed or not at home. It was acceptable for a gentleman to call on a daughter of the house if she were well above marriageable age or a long-standing friend.
* Callers were received by men in their business room or library, by women in the morning room or in their drawing-room.
* A lady, either married or single, did not call at a man's lodging.
* A lady was permitted to drive her own carriage, but only about the town attended by a groom, or by herself on the family estate.
* A lady never drove on he open road or engaged in any kind of public contest or race.
* It was acceptable to go out riding or driving with a man as long as a groom or other chaperone was in attendance.
* It was acceptable to go out driving or riding with a man without a chaperone if he was a relative of close family friend.
* Galloping in Hyde Park was prohibited.
* During the season it was essential to be seen in Hyde Park during the promenade hour of 5.00 to 6.00 pm.
* Servants and social inferiors were always kept at a proper distance but without arrogance, pride or aloofness.
* Servants were spoken to with exactly the right degree of civility and never with the casual informality with which a person would speak to an equal.
* Neither a lady nor a gentleman discussed private business in the presence of servants.
* Servants were generally ignored at mealtimes.
* It was essential to dress for dinner.
* When going in to dinner, the man of the house always escorted the highest-ranking lady present. The remaining dinner guests also paired up and entered the dining room in order of rank.
* Dinner guests were seated according to rank, with the highest-ranking lady sitting on the right-hand side of the host, who always sat at the head of the table.
* When dining informally it was acceptable to talk across or round the table.
* At a formal dinner one did not talk across the dinner table but confined conversation to those on one's left and right.
* Ladies were expected to retire to the withdrawing room after dinner, leaving the men to their port and their 'male' talk.
* A hostess should never give the signal to rise from the table until everyone at the table had finished.
* It was acceptable to offer one's snuff-box to the company but not to ask for a pinch of snuff from anyone else.
* Overt displays of emotion were generally considered ill-bred.
* Laughter was usually moderated in polite company, particularly among women.
* Men could give themselves up to unrestrained mirth, provided they were in the company of other men or among women of low repute.
* Well-bred persons controlled their features, their physical bodies and their speech when in company.
* A lady always spoke, sat and moved with elegance and propriety.
* A bow or curtsy was always made when meeting or speaking to royalty.
* Children always bowed or curtsied on meeting their parents for the first time each day.
* A bow or curtsy was executed according to the status and relationship of the person encountered and with regard to the particular circumstance.
* A bow was made on entering or leaving a room, at the beginning and end of a dance, and on encountering any person one wished to acknowledge.
* Debutantes did not stand up for more than two consecutive dances with the same partner.
* Only those young ladies who were 'out' danced the waltz and then only with an acceptable partner, usually someone she already knew, or to whom she had been formally introduced.
* Full mourning dress was worn for an appropriate period, which varied depending on the mourner's relationship to the deceased. A person did not go into society while in full mourning. Half mourning (usually grey or lilac) could be worn after an acceptable period of mourning had been observed and the mourner could choose to attend social functions but not fully particpate in them.
* To be thought 'fast' or to show a want of conduct was the worst possible social stigma.
* A lady never forced herself upon a man's notice.
* No lady was to be seen driving or walking down St James's Street where several of the gentlemen's clubs were located.
* No lady was to walk or drive unattended down Piccadilly.
* No female was to refer to any of those male activities about which a lady should feign ignorance.
* A husband was expected to keep his indecorous activities and less cultured friends separate from his marriage.
* A wife was expected to be blind to her husband's affairs.
* A married woman could take a lover once she had presented her husband with an heir and so long as she was discreet about her extramarital relationships.
* Women were expected to be ignorant of any proposed duel.
* A lady did not engage in any activity that might give rise to gossip.
* Subjects of an intimate nature such as childbirth were never discussed publicly.
* When out socially a lady did not wear a shawl for warmth no matter how cold the weather.
* A gentleman was expected to immediately pay his gambling debts, or any debt of honour.
* It was unacceptable to owe money to a stranger.
* It was acceptable to owe money to a tradesperson.
* It was considered bad form to borrow money from a woman.
* A female did not engage in finance or commerce if she had a man, such as a husband, father or brother, to do it for her.
* A lady did not visit a moneylender or a pawnbroker.
* Extremes of emotion and public outbursts were unacceptable, although it could be acceptable for a woman to have the vapours, faint, or suffer from hysteria if confronted by vulgarity or an unpleasant scene.
* A well-bred person behaved with courteous dignity to acquaintance and stranger alike, but kept at arm's length any who presumed too great a familiarity. Icy politeness was a well-bred man's or woman's best weapon in putting 'vulgar mushrooms' in their place.
* A well-bred person maintained an elegance of manners and deportment.
* A well-bred person walked upright, stood and moved with grace and ease.
* A well-bred person was never awkward in either manner or behaviour and could respond to any social situation with calm assurance.
* A well-bred person was never pretentious or ostentatious.
* Vulgarity was unacceptable in any form and was to be continually guarded against.
* Indiscretions, liaisons and outrageous behaviour were forgivable but vulgarity never was.
From - Austenised: Rules and Etiquette of Regency Society
* Social connections were usually formed through a series of meetings, usually beginning with morning calls to the homes of those in fashionable society.
* Morning calls were generally undertaken in the afternoon.
* A morning call did not usually exceed half an hour.
* In London, a woman paid morning calls to her social equals or inferiors but not to her social superiors until they had called on her or left a card.
* A person new to the city or country area waited for calls of ceremony to be made to them by those already established before they made a call of their own.
* In the country it was acceptable for a man to make a call or leave a card with someone of higher social standing if they were new to the neighbourhood.
* A gentleman calling on a family asked for the mistress of the house if the visit was a social one, and the master if it was a business call.
* A card was left if the lady of the house was indisposed or not at home. It was acceptable for a gentleman to call on a daughter of the house if she were well above marriageable age or a long-standing friend.
* Callers were received by men in their business room or library, by women in the morning room or in their drawing-room.
* A lady, either married or single, did not call at a man's lodging.
* A lady was permitted to drive her own carriage, but only about the town attended by a groom, or by herself on the family estate.
* A lady never drove on he open road or engaged in any kind of public contest or race.
* It was acceptable to go out riding or driving with a man as long as a groom or other chaperone was in attendance.
* It was acceptable to go out driving or riding with a man without a chaperone if he was a relative of close family friend.
* Galloping in Hyde Park was prohibited.
* During the season it was essential to be seen in Hyde Park during the promenade hour of 5.00 to 6.00 pm.
* Servants and social inferiors were always kept at a proper distance but without arrogance, pride or aloofness.
* Servants were spoken to with exactly the right degree of civility and never with the casual informality with which a person would speak to an equal.
* Neither a lady nor a gentleman discussed private business in the presence of servants.
* Servants were generally ignored at mealtimes.
* It was essential to dress for dinner.
* When going in to dinner, the man of the house always escorted the highest-ranking lady present. The remaining dinner guests also paired up and entered the dining room in order of rank.
* Dinner guests were seated according to rank, with the highest-ranking lady sitting on the right-hand side of the host, who always sat at the head of the table.
* When dining informally it was acceptable to talk across or round the table.
* At a formal dinner one did not talk across the dinner table but confined conversation to those on one's left and right.
* Ladies were expected to retire to the withdrawing room after dinner, leaving the men to their port and their 'male' talk.
* A hostess should never give the signal to rise from the table until everyone at the table had finished.
* It was acceptable to offer one's snuff-box to the company but not to ask for a pinch of snuff from anyone else.
* Overt displays of emotion were generally considered ill-bred.
* Laughter was usually moderated in polite company, particularly among women.
* Men could give themselves up to unrestrained mirth, provided they were in the company of other men or among women of low repute.
* Well-bred persons controlled their features, their physical bodies and their speech when in company.
* A lady always spoke, sat and moved with elegance and propriety.
* A bow or curtsy was always made when meeting or speaking to royalty.
* Children always bowed or curtsied on meeting their parents for the first time each day.
* A bow or curtsy was executed according to the status and relationship of the person encountered and with regard to the particular circumstance.
* A bow was made on entering or leaving a room, at the beginning and end of a dance, and on encountering any person one wished to acknowledge.
* Debutantes did not stand up for more than two consecutive dances with the same partner.
* Only those young ladies who were 'out' danced the waltz and then only with an acceptable partner, usually someone she already knew, or to whom she had been formally introduced.
* Full mourning dress was worn for an appropriate period, which varied depending on the mourner's relationship to the deceased. A person did not go into society while in full mourning. Half mourning (usually grey or lilac) could be worn after an acceptable period of mourning had been observed and the mourner could choose to attend social functions but not fully particpate in them.
* To be thought 'fast' or to show a want of conduct was the worst possible social stigma.
* A lady never forced herself upon a man's notice.
* No lady was to be seen driving or walking down St James's Street where several of the gentlemen's clubs were located.
* No lady was to walk or drive unattended down Piccadilly.
* No female was to refer to any of those male activities about which a lady should feign ignorance.
* A husband was expected to keep his indecorous activities and less cultured friends separate from his marriage.
* A wife was expected to be blind to her husband's affairs.
* A married woman could take a lover once she had presented her husband with an heir and so long as she was discreet about her extramarital relationships.
* Women were expected to be ignorant of any proposed duel.
* A lady did not engage in any activity that might give rise to gossip.
* Subjects of an intimate nature such as childbirth were never discussed publicly.
* When out socially a lady did not wear a shawl for warmth no matter how cold the weather.
* A gentleman was expected to immediately pay his gambling debts, or any debt of honour.
* It was unacceptable to owe money to a stranger.
* It was acceptable to owe money to a tradesperson.
* It was considered bad form to borrow money from a woman.
* A female did not engage in finance or commerce if she had a man, such as a husband, father or brother, to do it for her.
* A lady did not visit a moneylender or a pawnbroker.
* Extremes of emotion and public outbursts were unacceptable, although it could be acceptable for a woman to have the vapours, faint, or suffer from hysteria if confronted by vulgarity or an unpleasant scene.
* A well-bred person behaved with courteous dignity to acquaintance and stranger alike, but kept at arm's length any who presumed too great a familiarity. Icy politeness was a well-bred man's or woman's best weapon in putting 'vulgar mushrooms' in their place.
* A well-bred person maintained an elegance of manners and deportment.
* A well-bred person walked upright, stood and moved with grace and ease.
* A well-bred person was never awkward in either manner or behaviour and could respond to any social situation with calm assurance.
* A well-bred person was never pretentious or ostentatious.
* Vulgarity was unacceptable in any form and was to be continually guarded against.
* Indiscretions, liaisons and outrageous behaviour were forgivable but vulgarity never was.
From - Austenised: Rules and Etiquette of Regency Society
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Audie
Veteran Member
Nothing in what you say for me to disagree with.
Howsomeever, it does seem to me that if the
object is to find a way to approach some total
stranger and try to make pre- sexual contact,
you are engaging in risky behaviour and all bets
are off.
Audie
Veteran Member
Our deepest folk wisdom guides us to avoid
office romances. That keeps them from ever
happening!
I suppose it would depend on how strongly someone feels about another. It could work. Plenty of husbands and wives work together with few problems.
Yeah, sometimes adults have big messy breakups, with a lot of yelling back and forth (sometimes worse). Noisy, feuding couples can be annoying.
If you don't know whether the advance would be welcome, you shouldn't make advances toward your co-workers.
This doesn't change if you have trouble telling whether someone would welcome your advances. You should have no expectation that your workplace will provide you with a pool of potential dates or relationship partners.
Is your anecdote about one time that it worked out for you supposed to it's not generally a good idea to hit on your co-workers?
The problem isn't with dating; the problem is with unwelcome advances.