Flood Evidences — revised

[Subduction Zone]

Oh my goodness! Both are describing the same event!

But the Genesis account reveals a boat that would be seaworthy! The Epic of Gilgamesh, doesn’t!

Neither would be seaworthy, so you are half right.

And they both refer to the same myth. The early Hebrews copied and rewrote the Gilgamesh myth.

 

[sooda]

Tacitus is rather poor evidence for Jesus. His writings were about ninety years after his death. He may have been merely repeating the beliefs of early Christians.

Don't you find it a bit odd that there are no contemporary records of him?

Tacitus wasn't even born until 56 AD and wrote about Jesus or Chrestus some 50 years later.

 

[Riders]

Oh my goodness! Both are describing the same event!

But the Genesis account reveals a boat that would be seaworthy! The Epic of Gilgamesh, doesn’t!

Doesn't matter , Jews got it from Babylonia, thats fact!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Tacitus wasn't even born until 56 AD and wrote about Jesus or Chrestus some 50 years later.

Yes, I should have made it clear that "his death" in my post referred to the death of Jesus. Roughly ninety years after the crucifixion was when Tacitus wrote his own account.

 

[Riders]

Publius Cornelius Tacitus.


Do you think he didn’t? Do you think a man whose history we only have 3 1/2 years, could affect billions of people, and yet be fictitious? That’s not reasonable.

Luke 4 reveals he had an enemy...vs.6 informs us how much control that enemy has (Jesus didn’t pispute it.)

This is one reason I accept the Scriptures.....I see confusion and people groping for truth, everywhere I look. Just as the Bible foretold! Revelation 12:9; Revelation 12:12.

I don't see proof he existed, but I actually tend to think he did but not as the God man described in the new testament but rather,that the account Josephus spoke of his crucifixtion could be true. But there's no evidence the biblical account of a God man existed.There is proof many other Pagan Gods told the same story as Jesus, so personally I believe the God man account was Greek in myth.

But I do think a guy named Jesus who was crucified possibly existed, maybe he may have been a member of the Messiah movement at the time.

 

[sooda]

Doesn't matter , Jews got it from Babylonia, thats fact!

You can see what is killing Christianity....

 

[Riders]

You can see what is killing Christianity....

yes

 

[sooda]

yes

Its too bad, but they are hell bent to bring it down. Either park your brain at the Church door and reject science and education or you're not a REAL Christian.

 

[Riders]

Its too bad, but they are hell bent to bring it down. Either park your brain at the Church door and reject science and education or you're not a REAL Christian.

Well personally id like to see the Liberal churches who don't require that exceed.

 

[Jose Fly]

They have to, to be accepted by mainstream! They need to keep their jobs. Real easy to figure out.

That's a very serious accusation against a lot of people, many of whom are Christian. Do you have any evidence to support that accusation?

No metaphysical explanations are ever allowed.

Of course not...that's the case in every field of science. But if you have a way God can be objectively tested, I'd love to hear it.

You have no idea how much you and others are “misled” and deceived! Revelation 12:9

Even myself, but at least I’m aware of it & understand why; I’m not oblivious to the forces behind it!
— 1 John 5:19

So it's all satan's doing. Thanks for at least being honest.

Kind of a convenient setup you have, isn't it? Scientists and data that support your religious beliefs are all just fine and dandy, and scientists and data that don't are under the influence of satan.

Don't even really have to think about it much, do ya?

 

[Riders]

That's a very serious accusation against a lot of people, many of whom are Christian. Do you have any evidence to support that accusation?


Of course not...that's the case in every field of science. But if you have a way God can be objectively tested, I'd love to hear it.


So it's all satan's doing. Thanks for at least being honest.

Kind of a convenient setup you have, isn't it? Scientists and data that support your religious beliefs are all just fine and dandy, and scientists and data that don't are under the influence of satan.

Don't even really have to think about it much, do ya?

Personally I do not believe there are any real scientists who are trained in history the way they should be who has accepted the flood story unless he or she is a Christian who has been brainwashed.

 

[Jose Fly]

Personally I do not believe there are any real scientists who are trained in history the way they should be who has accepted the flood story unless he or she is a Christian who has been brainwashed.

There's one reason and only one reason why anyone would ever posit a recent global flood in the first place...it's in the Bible. It's certainly not a natural and logical extension from the data.

Another factor that flood advocates have trouble accounting for is how private industry uses non-flood geology in their work (e.g. oil exploration). All they care about is profits, so you'd think if flood geology was a better model, they'd use it in a heartbeat.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Tacitus is rather poor evidence for Jesus. His writings were about ninety years after his death. He may have been merely repeating the beliefs of early Christians.

Don't you find it a bit odd that there are no contemporary records of him?

No, I don’t.
If you were a historian at that time, would you believe stories about a man healing people of awful sicknesses, curing blind and deaf ones, even resurrecting the dead? It would be discarded and laughed at! Even some of the Jews wanted to “hide the evidence”, and kill Lazarus!

Much was at work to discredit him!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That's a very serious accusation against a lot of people, many of whom are Christian. Do you have any evidence to support that accusation?


Of course not...that's the case in every field of science. But if you have a way God can be objectively tested, I'd love to hear it.


So it's all satan's doing. Thanks for at least being honest.

Kind of a convenient setup you have, isn't it? Scientists and data that support your religious beliefs are all just fine and dandy, and scientists and data that don't are under the influence of satan.

Don't even really have to think about it much, do ya?

See!? Even you ignored the evidence I gave, about Lincoln’s Ghost!

You just don’t want to accept it. Fine.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Doesn't matter , Jews got it from Babylonia, thats fact!

Yes, it does matter. It makes all the difference.
Your “fact” doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I don’t.
If you were a historian at that time, would you believe stories about a man healing people of awful sicknesses, curing blind and deaf ones, even resurrecting the dead? It would be discarded and laughed at! Even some of the Jews wanted to “hide the evidence”, and kill Lazarus!

Much was at work to discredit him!

Now you are proposing conspiracy theories. Why are there no contemporary records of him?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, it does matter. It makes all the difference.
Your “fact” doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

You have that backwards again.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Neither would be seaworthy, so you are half right.

And they both refer to the same myth. The early Hebrews copied and rewrote the Gilgamesh myth.

Lol. Ignoring the evidence about the seaworthiness of the Genesis Ark, eh?

Reread post #1. It ain’t goin anywhere, much to your chagrin!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol. Ignoring the evidence about the seaworthiness of the Genesis Ark, eh?

Reread post #1. It ain’t goin anywhere, much to your chagrin!

No, that is what you do. You keep ignoring the square cube law which would have sunk it.

You are ignoring the fact that the bogus AiG article is worthless and that other articles only say that an under loaded Ark would float in a dead calm. There was nothing that supported your seaworthy claim.

 

[Jose Fly]

See!? Even you ignored the evidence I gave, about Lincoln’s Ghost!

You just don’t want to accept it. Fine.

Lol...seriously? Ghost stories?

I hope you realize that if you accept "people claim to have seen X, therefore X is real", then by the same standard you must also accept that many gods other than yours, exist. History is rife with stories of humans seeing various gods, including interacting with them, fighting against and alongside them, and even having sex with them.

So I guess you're a polytheist!