Flood Evidences — revised

[Audie]

The problem is that mammoth finds do not match those of flood believers. They match those of what one would expect if the mammoths died as the ice advanced.

Both of you are talking complete garbage.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Both of you are talking complete garbage.

Yes, I am guilty of oversimplification.

 

[Audie]

Yes, I am guilty of oversimplification.

Worse than that

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Anybody have a comment re: the origin of the Chinese character for “boat”?

Just how did the number “8” with “persons” get in there?

Even rationalwiki trips itself up: they try to discredit the idea, but in explaining the Chinese characters as when saying ‘8 is commonly used, like in 8 immortals’, they unwittingly show the connection! Lol.

Anybody here w/o bias (not atheist, nor Christian) who is familiar w/ ancient Chinese characters?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Anybody have a comment re: the origin of the Chinese character for “boat”?

Just how did the number “8” with “persons” get in there?

Even rationalwiki trips itself up: they try to discredit the idea, but in explaining the Chinese characters as when saying ‘8 is commonly used, like in 8 immortals’, they unwittingly show the connection! Lol.

Anybody here w/o bias (not atheist, nor Christian) who is familiar w/ ancient Chinese characters?

You know that this was refuted a long time ago. This is merely bad translation of Chinese.

Why do you keep using old failed arguments? Don't you realize that doing so is not any different from lying.?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You know that this was refuted a long time ago. This is merely bad translation of Chinese.

Why do you keep using old failed arguments? Don't you realize that doing so is not any different from lying.?

Lol. Funny!

 

[sooda]

Anybody have a comment re: the origin of the Chinese character for “boat”?

Just how did the number “8” with “persons” get in there?

Even rationalwiki trips itself up: they try to discredit the idea, but in explaining the Chinese characters as when saying ‘8 is commonly used, like in 8 immortals’, they unwittingly show the connection! Lol.

Anybody here w/o bias (not atheist, nor Christian) who is familiar w/ ancient Chinese characters?

China didn't have a global flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol. Funny!

No, I am deadly serious. Why do you think that lying for Jesus is a good thing to do?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And here is the RationalWiki article that goes into detail as to why this fails. The mistakes are those that a five year old child might make in China. If that:

Hanzi of Genesis - RationalWiki

Edit: That article demonstrates that the argument is one of severe grasping at straws whose story falls apart at the slightest touch of grammar.

An honest Christian would try to find out why scientists all but universally dismiss the flood myth. Yes, one can find one or two total whackos and liars that give it credence, but their fails are almost as bad as this one/.

 

[sooda]

Hydroplate "theory" and other nonsense[edit]
See the main article on this topic: Hydroplate theory
More recent theories have seen creationists try to get around this by either placing the water underground, positing an ice or vapor canopy above the atmosphere, water being contained in sealed chambers, or by having comets bring the water. This is despite the Bible not really describing the flood as such — in fact, they have to make a very loose interpretation of the firmament noted in Genesis for this to work. They still ignore several factors, however. When placing the water beneath the Earth, the only viable method for releasing it is as steam,[8] which proceeds to sterilize the planet regardless of whether or not one is in a giant wooden boat.

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Global flood - RationalWiki

 

[Hockeycowboy]

No, I am deadly serious. Why do you think that lying for Jesus is a good thing to do?

Funny! That the Flood occurred, even Jesus disclosed, at Matthew 24:37-39. He wasn’t a liar.

All you and others present are suppositions. 2 Corinthians 4:4 reveals that many are blinded, by an Entity that you don’t even exists! Revelation 12:9 has more relevance now than at any other time in history.

 

[sooda]

Funny! That the Flood occurred, even Jesus disclosed, at Matthew 24:37-39. He wasn’t a liar.

All you and others present are suppositions. 2 Corinthians 4:4 reveals that many are blinded, by an Entity that you don’t even exists! Revelation 12:9 has more relevance now than at any other time in history.

How would Jesus know?

 

[Jose Fly]

An honest Christian would try to find out why scientists all but universally dismiss the flood myth.

The last time @Hockeycowboy started one of these flood threads, I provided him a link to a page where he could read the writings of 18th and early 19th century Christian geologists where they describe the reasons they ended up concluding that the Biblical flood didn't happen. In some of those writings they even get into how painful reaching that conclusion was, given their strong religious beliefs.

Hockeycowboy told me he would read the material. Since then, I've repeatedly asked him (including in this thread) if he read it and what he thought of it...he has consistently ignored the question, thereby creating the impression that he never read the material at all.

Such is the nature of creationism....far safer to ignore inconvenient information than to look at it and then have to deal with it.

 

[Jose Fly]

Hydroplate "theory" and other nonsense[edit]
See the main article on this topic: Hydroplate theory
More recent theories have seen creationists try to get around this by either placing the water underground, positing an ice or vapor canopy above the atmosphere, water being contained in sealed chambers, or by having comets bring the water. This is despite the Bible not really describing the flood as such — in fact, they have to make a very loose interpretation of the firmament noted in Genesis for this to work. They still ignore several factors, however. When placing the water beneath the Earth, the only viable method for releasing it is as steam,[8] which proceeds to sterilize the planet regardless of whether or not one is in a giant wooden boat.

continued

Global flood - RationalWiki

Well remember, @Hockeycowboy prefers to rely on "God did that part" when faced with physical impossibilities for the Biblical flood (e.g., the water, the animals). Oddly enough though, he does so while at the same time trying to convince folks that the flood is supported by science.

 

[sooda]

The last time @Hockeycowboy started one of these flood threads, I provided him a link to a page where he could read the writings of 18th and early 19th century Christian geologists where they describe the reasons they ended up concluding that the Biblical flood didn't happen. In some of those writings they even get into how painful reaching that conclusion was, given their strong religious beliefs.

Hockeycowboy told me he would read the material. Since then, I've repeatedly asked him (including in this thread) if he read it and what he thought of it...he has consistently ignored the question, thereby creating the impression that he never read the material at all.

Such is the nature of creationism....far safer to ignore inconvenient information than to look at it and then have to deal with it.

Calcified ignorance. Who is going to admit they failed to get an education?

 

[Jose Fly]

Calcified ignorance. Who is going to admit they failed to get an education?

From what I've seen, lack of formal education among certain religious groups is a badge of honor. And certainly among Jehovah's Witnesses education beyond high school is strongly discouraged.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

How would Jesus know?

If you need to ask that, then why are you a Christian? He was there to see it.

John 17:5...”And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”

For one calling themselves Christian, your lack of faith in God’s Word is appalling. Hebrews 11:6. 2 Timothy 3:16 has no meaning to you, I guess.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Calcified ignorance. Who is going to admit they failed to get an education?

Lol.

 

[sooda]

If you need to ask that, then why are you a Christian? He was there to see it.

John 17:5...”And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”

For one calling themselves Christian, your lack of faith in God’s Word is appalling. Hebrews 11:6. 2 Timothy 3:16 has no meaning to you, I guess.

John and Timothy aren't God.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Well remember, @Hockeycowboy prefers to rely on "God did that part" when faced with physical impossibilities for the Biblical flood (e.g., the water, the animals). Oddly enough though, he does so while at the same time trying to convince folks that the flood really did happen because science supports it.

Of course evidence is there! I don’t ignore it or say it’s unexplained, like others do.