For Christians. Was the flood real or just a myth?

[Subduction Zone]

As far as I know today's ocean liners are much more than 7 feet long.
To me the law of 'cause and effect' is merely an observed reaction in the world of science.
Plant corn (sow) and will reap corn. Eat poison and observe sickness and death.

Again, the Ark was Not a cube, the Ark was Not a square. The biblical Ark was a rectangle in shape.
Neither the Ark nor ocean liners are physical things. What is the natural height to a non-physical skyscraper.

Oh my! Don't make your ignorance even more obvious.

The subject of that example was people, not ocean liners.

So you have no education at all when it comes to the sciences. This could take a while. I don't know where to start. Hmm.... Let's start with the concept of evidence. You clearly do not understand that either. Are you willing to learn or are you here merely to make a belief in the Bible look ridiculous?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I know that he made a reference to it. Do you not understand basic English?
Once again Jesus used all sorts of literary tools to relate to others. He never said that those events actually happened or even implied that they did. If somebody says that "Grandma is as old as the hills" does that mean that that person believes that grandma is really that old?

To my understanding Jesus is the one speaking at Luke 17:26-30 about real events
Why ' remember Lot's wife ' as Jesus' recorded words say to do at Luke 17:32 if it never happened.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To my understanding Jesus is the one speaking at Luke 17:26-30 about real events
Why ' remember Lot's wife ' as Jesus' recorded words say to do at Luke 17:32 if it never happened.

The myths of the Bible were stories that the people at that time were familiar with. By referring to them he got his point across. The problem arises when one claims that Jesus was using these as more than teaching points. By doing so one claims in effect that Jesus was not God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Oh my! Don't make your ignorance even more obvious.
The subject of that example was people, not ocean liners.
So you have no education at all when it comes to the sciences. This could take a while. I don't know where to start. Hmm.... Let's start with the concept of evidence. You clearly do not understand that either. Are you willing to learn or are you here merely to make a belief in the Bible look ridiculous?

Noah's Ark was Not a physical person. The Bible-book Ark was a water-proofed wooden vessel in a rectangular shape.
No persons were bounced around in stormy waters, it was the Ark. The Ark being the size of some modern-day ocean liners Not any persons being so tall as to be out of shape. Houses are even more than 3 stories tall and stand.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Huh, the Genesis Deluge, or the Flood of Noah's Day is real according to Jesus at Matthew 24:37-39
I wonder what other flood you have in mind as being spoken of as a possible myth.

What about the flood of water covering the earth In Genesis 1:2. That flood.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The myths of the Bible were stories that the people at that time were familiar with. By referring to them he got his point across. The problem arises when one claims that Jesus was using these as more than teaching points. By doing so one claims in effect that Jesus was not God.

Right, Jesus is Not God according to Revelation 3:14B; Colossians 1:15; John 10:36.
Even the heavenly resurrected Jesus still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12.

Sure, Jesus used Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah as teaching points. Teaching points so we don't make the same mistake as did the real people of Noah's day and Sodom and Gomorrah. Especially since we are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as figuratively described at Matthew 25:31-33,37 when the figurative humble ' sheep'-like people will be separated from the figurative haughty ' goat'-like people.
Because the ' sheep ' listen to Jesus' words is why they will be ' saved/delivered/rescued ' through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Noah's Ark was Not a physical person. The Bible book Ark was of water-proofed wooden vessel in a rectangular shape.
No persons were bounced around in stormy waters, it was the Ark. The Ark being the size of some modern-day ocean liners Not any persons being so tall as to be out of shape. Houses are even more than 3 stories tall and stand.

If you do not understand simply ask questions. Please don't post utter nonsense that only confirms by claims.

It appears that simply analogies are beyond your level of comprehension.

Once again, how much science education have you had?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Right, Jesus is Not God according to Revelation 3:14B; Colossians 1:15; John 10:36.
Even the heavenly resurrected Jesus still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12.

Sure, Jesus used Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah as teaching points. Teaching points so we don't make the same mistake as did the real people of Noah's day and Sodom and Gomorrah. Especially since we are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as figuratively described at Matthew 25:31-33,37 when the figurative humble ' sheep'-like people will be separated from the figurative haughty ' goat'-like people.
Because the ' sheep ' listen to Jesus' words is why they will be ' saved/delivered/rescued ' through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.

Then you are saying that either there was no Flood or that God is a liar. Which one is your belief?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What about the flood of water covering the earth In Genesis 1:2. That flood.

I think Genesis 1:2 is Not talking about a flood, but just that waters were covering the Earth before dry land ever appeared. That water covering over Earth is part of the first account about Earth being created/constructed in chronological order.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Noah's Ark was Not a physical person. The Bible-book Ark was a water-proofed wooden vessel in a rectangular shape.
No persons were bounced around in stormy waters, it was the Ark. The Ark being the size of some modern-day ocean liners Not any persons being so tall as to be out of shape. Houses are even more than 3 stories tall and stand.

Your inability to understand an analogy only underscores your lack of education. Just as a person has a problem when he is "scaled up" so would a boat. The Square/Cube Law applies to all materials.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think Genesis 1:2 is Not talking about a flood, but just that waters were covering the Earth before dry land ever appeared. That water covering over Earth is part of the first account about Earth being created/constructed in chronological order.

Actually at no time in the Earth's history is there any indication that the entire Earth was under water.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Of course it would seen quite nice to just have God create a new batch of animals besides people (Adam&Eve).
At first, there was Nothing wrong with creation, so creation was Not at fault.
'Before' Adam and Eve ever broke the law God already degreed at Genesis 1:28 that we all be descendants from father Adam and mother Eve. God does Not go back on His purpose for Earth. God was Not going to destroy His creation. That particular animal creation was a gift from God to us.
Rather, right after A&E broke the Law, God promised us a Savior, a promised ' seed ' or offspring at Genesis 3:15.
That passing of time from Genesis allowed for us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
Since we inherited death from A&E and we can Not resurrect oneself or another and is why we need someone who can resurrect us, restore us back to life, and that is why God sent Jesus to enter into the picture for us.
I find according to Revelation 1:18 Jesus can and will resurrect the dead.

Amazing how in some instances this all-powerful God can do ANYTHING and in others there appears to be so many restrictions on what He can do. It's almost as if this God changes, depending on what point believers are attempting to make.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Then you are saying that either there was no Flood or that God is a liar. Which one is your belief?

I am saying God is No liar, and because God does Not lie (Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18) the Flood was real as described in Scripture. Just as Jesus said at Matthew 24:39 people took No note until the Flood came, and people are taking No note about Matthew 24:14 even though the good news about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is now proclaimed on an international scale just as Jesus said it would be done and is now being done as per Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Actually at no time in the Earth's history is there any indication that the entire Earth was under water.

Then why does science class teach Earth started out covered with water.
Don't they talk about some sort of soup, organic hot soup or something.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am saying God is No liar, and because God does Not lie (Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18) the Flood was real as described in Scripture. Just as Jesus said at Matthew 24:39 people took No note until the Flood came, and people are taking No note about Matthew 24:14 even though the good news about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is now proclaimed on an international scale just as Jesus said it would be done and is now being done as per Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

Then you are saying that the flood never happened. There are mountains of evidence that tell us that there was no flood. There is no evidence for the flood. If your God exists the only what that evidence could exist is if he made it somehow. By planting false evidence he would be a liar.

Therefore by stating that God does not lie you also state that there was no flood. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then why does science class teach Earth started out covered with water.
Don't they talk about some sort of soup, organic hot soup or something.

It doesn't teach that. It merely teaches that there was water in the early Earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Your inability to understand an analogy only underscores your lack of education. Just as a person has a problem when he is "scaled up" so would a boat. The Square/Cube Law applies to all materials.

Then how does one explain the modern-day scaled-up ocean liners, the scaled-up skyscrapers having No such problems. To me that is because we are Not talking about physical structure but material structure.
The Ark and some of today's ocean liners being similar in size without such problems as an 8 foot person would have.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It doesn't teach that. It merely teaches that there was water in the early Earth.

If I recall correctly, a PBS science documentary showed a time when Earth was water covered.
Maybe it was called a ' cosmic soup ' .

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then how does one explain the modern-day scaled-up ocean liners, the scaled-up skyscrapers having No such problems. To me that is because we are Not talking about physical structure but material structure.
The Ark and some of today's ocean liners being similar in size without such problems as an 8 foot person would have.

Modern day ships use modern day materials. You will note the absence of wood as a structural component.

In fact if one looks at buildings for human habitation you will see that there are limits to various building materials. Skyscrapers are made possible by modern day steel. Even so there will be limits using that material.

Wooden boats the size of the Ark, even with steel reinforcement, have all failed. Do you need examples?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If I recall correctly, a PBS science documentary showed a time when Earth was water covered.
Maybe it was called a ' cosmic soup ' .

You do not recall correctly. Once again, the fact that there were ancient oceans does not mean that the entire Earth was covered by water.