Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
There, you escape all arguments - 'cannot be explained'. Science is very thorough about explanations.
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For Muslims: Is Muhammad the last Prophet from God?
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Ebionite
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Science is the wrong discipline for this because divine beings are not scientifically testable.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Use your imagination!
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Hadiths are nice stories. They say Muhammad played with Aisha's dolls. Bukhari or al-Kulaynī ar-Rāzī. Mostly 9th Century writers.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The pedo prophet story is not consistent with the timeline of events relating to the age of Aisha. Mainstream Islam doesn't like this because Bukhari is supposed to be a reliable source.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Mate. Even if you staunchly believe the Qur'an says "Torah" and that refers to the Jewish Torah, Isiah is still not the Torah or part of the Torah. You can never in your life twist it into or even make an effort.
AND, "pressed" does not mean "seal of prophets". Pressed means pressed.
Strange that you are a believer of Quran, the Bible, AND the ahadith. Weird kind of theology. Can you tell me, who was the last narrator of this Bukhari hadith? Again, the "last narrator". Who was it?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Let's say some one says "pedo". This hypocrite, should realize that no pedo marries people older than himself and divorcees. And wonder why that sick minded person who constantly speaks about this believes in this hadith. Not all ahadith. Cherry picker? That's the epitome of hypocrisy.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I have already said that Hadiths are stories to propagate a faith. All religions have them in one form or the other.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
I'm not interested in your strawman.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
It's not hypocrisy, it's an expression of prejudice.
What's funny is Bahais come up with all sorts of meaning now while their Prophet thought of two contradicting explanations. One it means Mohammad (s) is the final of a past cycle of Prophets while in the new cycle there is more. The other is that it means Mohammad (s) is all Prophets including the final one (which is yet to be sent) meaning.
They come up with notions that their Prophet didn't advocate. The closest thing is that with their Prophet saying he is the staff that turns to snake, and so one so forth as parables, said also that the bab was as if a ring on him, but what he meant there, was to say his Prophethood in terms of knowledge is greater then the Bab's.
It's dishonest to talk about other meanings that the two (which contradict by the way) their Prophet advocated. It's become too embarrassing to defend so they opt for other explanations.
They come up with notions that their Prophet didn't advocate. The closest thing is that with their Prophet saying he is the staff that turns to snake, and so one so forth as parables, said also that the bab was as if a ring on him, but what he meant there, was to say his Prophethood in terms of knowledge is greater then the Bab's.
It's dishonest to talk about other meanings that the two (which contradict by the way) their Prophet advocated. It's become too embarrassing to defend so they opt for other explanations.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Are you denying that your argument was a strawman?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Mate. I am not gonna engage with these kind of preaching and rhetorical exchanges.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
It's a simple question which exposes the disingenuous nature of your argument.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Bye Bye Mate.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
For Muslims: Is Muhammad the last Prophet from God?
Muhammad is last in status/rank on the vertical axis, not the last in time, please, right?
Muhammad himself told of Second Coming of Isa/Masih and Imam Mahdi so he knew the rank of a person after him, right?
When Muhammad himself prophesied for the Second Coming of Isa/Masih and Imam Mahdi, so he was clear that an End-time reformer of all religions from among his followers is to come after him, right?
Regards
Muhammad is last in status/rank on the vertical axis, not the last in time, please, right?
Muhammad himself told of Second Coming of Isa/Masih and Imam Mahdi so he knew the rank of a person after him, right?
When Muhammad himself prophesied for the Second Coming of Isa/Masih and Imam Mahdi, so he was clear that an End-time reformer of all religions from among his followers is to come after him, right?
Regards
No, only a disbeliever and evil transgressor would say this.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
Quran refers to the Scriptures that is with the people of the Book.
Now, the term Torah can mean different things.
I quote Wikipedia:
In rabbinic literature, the word Torah denotes both the five books (תורה שבכתב "Torah that is written") and the Oral Torah (תורה שבעל פה, "Torah that is spoken"). It has also been used, however, to designate the entire Hebrew Bible.
The question is, when Muhammad was speaking about Scriptures of the Jews, or Torah, did He mean, the entire Hebrew Bible, or He meant the Torah which is the first five Books?
How do we know?