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for those people who love to hate on the wealthy...

oldbadger

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Reverend Rick said:
My goal is to move on and don't look back. I'm done with the rat race and plan to live off the fruits of my past labors.

I understand what you are saying and deep down know that life's simple pleasures are what is important. I'm trying to have fun while I am still young enough.
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Yes......... That's it. I grab every day (hour!) as it comes, and enjoy it.

What would be the point of preparing for retirement, and then not 'having' it...... :cool:

I have worked out that if we stopped all our income and just lived off savings, that we could go on past our life expectancies = slow down......... Mind you, our lifestyle has little or no expenditure. Mr Micawber's principle applies!!

I think you will also be able to have fun when you are a 92 year old invalid (say). The digital world advances every month, and you will be able to do most anything virtually, soon. But for now, :beach::grill::cloud9::disco::trampo::drunk:
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The problem with retirement for me:
I don't know at what stage of various changes I'll be able to say "I'm retired.".
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
oldbadger said:
H Whilst everybody gets enough food here, my depressive comment was made because half the people in this road wore extra clothing indoors this winter, rather than turn up (or on!) the heating.....
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I actually see that as a good thing. People do not need to heat their homes to 72 F. Put on a sweater and save a tree.
 
M

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
MysticSang'ha said:
Tell you what, Rick. We have broken into profit the last two months (knock on wood). It's promising right now, but if we are able to draw a paycheck one day that allows the hubbie to quit his bread-and-butter job I will personally drive down to see you and treat you to dinner of your choice. Just to let you know that you were right.

And trust me, I REALLY want to prove you're right. :D

Is that fair?
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I want dinner tooooooooo! *pouts*

I'll wear my finest eveningwear for you ;)
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
freethinker44 said:
Ours stays at 65 during the day and 60 at night. That's just because I'm poor though.
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It's been shown that people who keep their heat too high (above 70s) in the winter get sick more often. Our bodies have a tougher time acclimating to the wide differences in temperature between the inside and the outside. So you're probably healthier because of it.
 
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InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect

Member
dust1n said:
So much question is, if you'd like me to word it a little clearer, do people really think that poverty is a rewarding experience for people in any way, even with all the benefits one might be able to apply for, or even con from the government?
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I am just not following your argument because I think we have different definitions for poverty.

Poverty can mean working at walmart or mcdonalds full time but it could also mean far, far worse. My point is people who live and die working full time at burger king or mickey Ds can grow up with relatively little money but still have very fulfilling lives. It is quite rewarding for them compared to many others. However it is a crime against a humanity when compared to the people that exploit them for personal wealth.
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect said:
I am just not following your argument because I think we have different definitions for poverty.

Poverty can mean working at walmart or mcdonalds full time but it could also mean far, far worse. My point is people who live and die working full time at burger king or mickey Ds can grow up with relatively little money but still have very fulfilling lives. It is quite rewarding for them compared to many others. However it is a crime against a humanity when compared to the people that exploit them for personal wealth.
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As far as I understand English, poverty is an official measurement for a low standard of living. Destitution on the underhand, refers to extreme poverty, which goes more on hand with having nothing to the point of livelihood being at immediate risk.

I don't disagree with you that poor people can't have meaningful lives. What I was saying originally is that poverty in and of itself is not fulfilling and aids no one in fulfillment (or a very tiny portion), and people who are fulfilled and impoverished are fulfilled despite poverty, not due to it.
 
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InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect

Member
dust1n said:
As far as I understand English, poverty is an official measurement for a low standard of living. Destitution on the underhand, refers to extreme poverty, which goes more on hand with having nothing to the point of livelihood being at immediate risk.

I don't disagree with you that poor people can't have meaningful lives. What I was saying originally is that poverty in and of itself is not fulfilling and aids no one in fulfillment (or a very tiny portion), and people who are fulfilled and impoverished are fulfilled despite poverty, not due to it.
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Then I agree. Ultimately I know and have known people who have lived or continue to live very meaningful lives despite poverty. Some reverends and pastor friends of mine have taken vows of poverty and are ultimately the bedrock of their communities.
 
dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect said:
Then I agree. Ultimately I know and have known people who have lived or continue to live very meaningful lives despite poverty. Some reverends and pastor friends of mine have taken vows of poverty and are ultimately the bedrock of their communities.
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I'm sorry that wasn't clear earlier. I think vows of poverty are one of the few things I find appealing and legitimate about religion.

I asked my question originally, because it seems people think that people in poverty or destitution, are so because of some sort of resignation that has taken place, and they just aren't trying hard enough. I agree that's happened plenty, but it doesn't explain why 1/3 of the world lives on a dollar a day less. It just has nothing to with hating wealthy people as this thread is all about. There are legitimate concerns about poverty in society.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Reverend Rick said:
I just gotta ask a question, can anyone deserve to be rich?
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Not really. Not until and unless poverty becomes a non-issue worldwide. So no.

Of course, there is no point in buggering people about that, either. So we just have to be realistic and reasonable about human nature.

All the same, the current extremes are nothing short of obscene.



What if they give freely to charties?
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Then they show that they have a conscience, and I commend them for that. It is somewhat hard to be generous.

Actually deserving what is currently understood as wealth, though, is a very different kettle of fish. That is not really within human possibilities. Not in the foreseeable future.
 
Reverend Rick

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Luis, what if I give two kids a cookie today. One eats his and does not share and the other saves his cookie. Tomorrow should this child share his cookie with the other one?
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Reverend Rick said:
Luis, what if I give two kids a cookie today. One eats his and does not share and the other saves his cookie. Tomorrow should this child share his cookie with the other one?
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Are their basic dignities, social inclusion and participation and mental/economic health of both otherwise assured? If so, then I guess not.

That, however, is not a very good parallel to how wealth works in the real world. Wealth has become a representation of not only power, but also of dignity and even of expectation of treatment. Its availability has become so loopsided that not only poverty is in itself a major, unavoidable problem, but the levels of economic disparity themselves are perhaps an even greater one.
 
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