for those people who love to hate on the wealthy...

[Alceste]

What this boils down to is some folks have a problem dealing with the fact that many people never have to work a day in their life because their dad or their grandpa already earned money for them.

Life is not fair, get over it.

Wyatt, you probably went to a school where everyone got a trophy right?

Is "Life's not fair. Get over it." what you tell yourself when tax time rolls around?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Is "Life's not fair. Get over it." what you tell yourself when tax time rolls around?

My CPA handles that, I cuss the government and write the damn check.

 

[Alceste]

My CPA handles that, I cuss the government and write the damn check.

That's the spirit.

 

[InsurgoInsurgiInsurrect]

I didn't say poor people can't have meaningful lives. Are we done with the strawmen yet?

What did you say?

Do people really think that being poor is rewarding in any way, even with all the benefits one might be able to apply for, or even con from the government?

Being poor is not rewarding? They can have meaningful lives but their lives can't be rewarding because if you are poor than you can't get rewarded in anyway even with all the benefits they applied for or conned from the government.

Honestly its not a straw-man. It is active listening. I am repeating what I am hearing from you. If I am hearing it wrong then explain yourself.

 

[Octavia156]

Factually incorrect on so many levels it's hardly worth discussing.

Factually correct, actually - as Revoltingest as confirmed for you all.

Are you honestly that out of touch with reality?
Or perhaps you are commenting on a tax system which you know nothing about?

my source is 1%-er Peter Schiff - whos yours?

 

[LuisDantas]

What this boils down to is some folks have a problem dealing with the fact that many people never have to work a day in their life because their dad or their grandpa already earned money for them.

Pretty much true far as I am concerned. Such a state of affairs is not only unfair, but also unhealthy and disrespectful.

I have a huge problem with that. And I fully intend to remain having a huge problem with that.

It is a matter of principle.

 

[Octavia156]

Your answer to my question



was a passage to a Bible...? And one that gets no where close to addressing my question.

You're a teacher of science?

A person is rich when his income/net worth reaches a certain level compared to where they live.

Yes I teach Physics for a living. I also have a degree in economics What your point?

The proverb (its a proverb guys) suggests "rich" is a relative term. I only mention it cause people are debating whether you can be poor and live a rewarding life. I think if you are satisfied with what you've got - then you are richer than the man who cannot sleep cause he wants more money - this man could be as poor as you or a billionaire - doesn't matter.

 

[Octavia156]

This is something which won't register to most people. Consider the tax situation of the sole proprietor business man (ie, Schedule C income)...
...I pay the fed income tax, self-employment tax, state income tax, fed intangibles tax. And the money left over generates sales tax or buyer's
fees (at auctions). This puts my marginal tax rate at well over 50%. Add on to this IRS complexities such as requiring depreciation of some
ordinary expenses, & the rate can become the 65% you cite. (At times my rates have been even higher.) Why work hard? I don't anymore.
A consequence of this is the thriving underground economy. I see many people bartering & dealing only in "off the books" cash. This is why
I favor a revenue-neutral plan to get rid of personal tax deductions & lowering the tax rates to the point where tax evasion is far less appealing.

:clap

 

[Octavia156]

Pretty much true far as I am concerned. Such a state of affairs is not only unfair, but also unhealthy and disrespectful.

I have a huge problem with that. And I fully intend to remain having a huge problem with that.

It is a matter of principle.

So you're ****** off that your family didn't put any money aside for you? Or are you ****** off that other families do?

How is saving for your childrens future unfair, unheathly or disrespectful!?
If I ever get left anything by a dead relative I'll be sure to shout out how damn disrespectful it was of them to be so generous.

 

[McBell]

my source is 1%-er Peter Schiff - whos yours?

Tax Code, Regulations and Official Guidance

 

[WyattDerp]

What this boils down to is some folks have a problem dealing with the fact that many people never have to work a day in their life because their dad or their grandpa already earned money for them.

Life is not fair, get over it.

I have absolutely no problem with envy or anything. For all I know, birds just fly around, eat stuff and ****, I have no problems with that.

I have problems with bullies gang raping the defenseless. That's what it boils down to. All you small fish are completely irrevelant otherwise. There's subjects that are way more interesting and important than the individuals discussing them. To me, this is one of them.

Wyatt, you probably went to a school where everyone got a trophy right?

What's your point? A personal slight that went over my head, or that "someone has to be dumb so someone else can be smart"? That statistically speaking, some people *have* to be sick, so others can be healthy?

You see, it doesn't work that way, only with power and wealth. For some people to be wealthy, others have to be poor. For people to have power over others, others have to be powerless. But for people to be healthy and free, others do NOT have to be sick and in prison. Only to be aware of the concept of health or freedom. But being aware of these concepts is useless when everybody enjoys them.

But why bother... three things come to mind: Chomsky saying people with power understand exactly one thing, violence, Shakur pointing out that nobody ever gained their liberty by appealing to the moral sense of their oppressors, and Paine (I think) saying that reasoning with people who simply aren't up to it being like administering medicine to a dead person.

Life isn't fair indeed. People think they have good reasons for the propaganda they buy into, and many people who voted for Hitler just wanted to have a job and food. Yet future generations will either look down on this crap - or be too ****** up to even care about. So cry me a river, will ya.

 

[LuisDantas]

So you're ****** off that your family didn't put any money aside for you? Or are you ****** off that other families do?

That is one of putting it, I suppose. But it sort of misses the target.

A society where people are usually either pressured from birth (out of no personal merit or fault, let me add) into a humiliating struggle for survival and social integration or taught what amounts to alienation and disregard for fellow humans that have no less inherent right than themselves is a sick society. How could it not be?

How is saving for your childrens future unfair, unheathly or disrespectful!?

When it is done at the expense of social integration and, even, by participating into the proccess of pushing society into dangerous levels of unrest and inequality.

If I ever get left anything by a dead relative I'll be sure to shout out how damn disrespectful it was of them to be so generous.

Define "anything". The original post mentioned "people that do not have to work a single day in their lives".

I'm not complaining about inheritance, but rather against such extreme levels of social and economic inequality that we can no longer truly talk about a society but must instead deal with several somewhat inimical ones that just happen to live in the same general area and to have not fully acknowledged how deeply at odds they are with each other.

That is, to be blunt yet honest, a disease.

 

[dust1n]

What did you say?



Being poor is not rewarding? They can have meaningful lives but their lives can't be rewarding because if you are poor than you can't get rewarded in anyway even with all the benefits they applied for or conned from the government.

Honestly its not a straw-man. It is active listening. I am repeating what I am hearing from you. If I am hearing it wrong then explain yourself.

"Do people really think that being poor is rewarding in any way, even with all the benefits one might be able to apply for, or even con from the government?"

There's is a clear difference between poverty being rewarding and have a rewarding life despite poverty. Generally, people overcome poverty, or succeed despite of it.

So much question is, if you'd like me to word it a little clearer, do people really think that poverty is a rewarding experience for people in any way, even with all the benefits one might be able to apply for, or even con from the government?

 

[dust1n]

Yes I teach Physics for a living. I also have a degree in economics What your point?

The proverb (its a proverb guys) suggests "rich" is a relative term. I only mention it cause people are debating whether you can be poor and live a rewarding life. I think if you are satisfied with what you've got - then you are richer than the man who cannot sleep cause he wants more money - this man could be as poor as you or a billionaire - doesn't matter.

And I think that notion really trivializes poverty and wealth, and attempts to take measurable, empirical ideals for discovering facts and replaces it with... the Bible. EDIT: To put it another way, I never had a business class or economics class that classified rich people as those who find life fulfilling. In accounting, it's certainly not taken into account for the purposes of taxing people.

 

[Alceste]

my source is Peter Schiff.

My cousin's girlfriend used to listen to a lot of Peter Schiff and angrily parrot his nonsense at every family gathering. When she failed to convince anyone, she took a break from his show and became a much more relaxed, pleasant, intelligent person within a fortnight. She's even capable of having a conversation about taxes now without blurting out "big government!" In every sentence, like some form of Tourette's that only afflicts libertarians.

You should take a break yourself. It might make you a more pleasant person to talk to.

 

[Octavia156]

And I think that notion really trivializes poverty and wealth, and attempts to take measurable, empirical ideals for discovering facts and replaces it with... the Bible. EDIT: To put it another way, I never had a business class or economics class that classified rich people as those who find life fulfilling. In accounting, it's certainly not taken into account for the purposes of taxing people.

I saw the proverb on the wall of an R.E. classroom. I liked it.
I very much doubt it came from the Bible.... remember the Bible isn't Jewish!?! possibly the Torah... but it could just be a Jewish saying.... doesn't have to be a quote from a religious document

 

[Octavia156]

You should take a break yourself. It might make you a more pleasant person to talk to.

 

[Alceste]

Case in point.

 

[WyattDerp]

And then there's the world bank and the policies pushed on the third world. Policies the first world would never apply to itself, and which no country that become successful followed. Just to cheaply exploit them. And meanwhile people are actually talking about how the poor are "stealing from the rich" because of something like welfare? Because of some cynical little patches applied to people after they've been brutally disenfranchised? While corporations tuck as much of their profits away in off-shore bank accounts as they possibly can, research funded by the public gets privatized when it becomes profitable?

If you take care of your an elderly parent, are they stealing from you? You may say that's a stupid analogy, so okay, what if you beat them to near death each day, and then apply some bandages to stop the bleeding, so you don't have to face the backlash for murder? Are they stealing bandages from you?

This is exactly what is to expected to result from the unchecked progress of this sickness; while plundering, to cry about being the victim. To cry about just criticism. When we're sooooo far from acting in any meaningful way on that criticism. The 60s and 70s were 0.0001% of what is needed. And people are still butthurt about them, the backlash from the top has been ongoing on ever since.

But back to the crimes of poor people. Let's explore the space, yeah?

Did you know that it's the drug dealers on the street that make money off drugs -- that bankers are washing **** all, that they mostly help people make sound investment decision that are good for everyone? It's little peasants growing drugs because they got tired of growing food, and then poor people do the drug mules and give the drugs to street dealers. It's a network of filthy, poor people.

They also make the guns they then do the drug crimes with. They make guns, force people to pay for a military, then vote to send that military into war to control oil. Because filthy little poor people just can't get enough of oil and their private ******* jets.

And then there's the "work" they do. Actually, they just show up and get paid, because rich people make and pay for everything.


It's apt to talk about such stuff on a religious forum. They say jump and you say how high, you're brain dead, you got a ******* bullet in your head. I'm sorry, but just thinking that this topic exists and flaunts this dumb, inhumane crap makes me angry. Just disagreeing doesn't satisfy me, I want to stomp it back into the ground from which it came >:[


And NONE of this has to do with "hating on" "wealth". I've known plenty of perfectly decent, and obscenely rich people. The just aren't aware of what they're partaking in. If they were, they would adjust. Wealth, pah. I threw more away than others will ever have, wealth is boring. Food, clothes, shelter, education, equality (by that I mean all people being equal citizens, not thickness of bank accounts being proportional to number of votes... not that everybody should be genetically engineered to be and have exactly the same, all the time) - FOR ALL, OR I AM ******** BRICKS. *** ************* ******.

 

[Aquitaine]

And then there's the world bank and the policies pushed on the third world. Policies the first world would never apply to itself, and which no country that become successful followed. Just to cheaply exploit them. And meanwhile people are actually talking about how the poor are "stealing from the rich" because of something like welfare? Because of some cynical little patches applied to people after they've been brutally disenfranchised? While corporations tuck as much of their profits away in off-shore bank accounts as they possibly can, research funded by the public gets privatized when it becomes profitable?

If you take care of your an elderly parent, are they stealing from you? You may say that's a stupid analogy, so okay, what if you beat them to near death each day, and then apply some bandages to stop the bleeding, so you don't have to face the backlash for murder? Are they stealing bandages from you?

This is exactly what is to expected to result from the unchecked progress of this sickness; while plundering, to cry about being the victim. To cry about just criticism. When we're sooooo far from acting in any meaningful way on that criticism. The 60s and 70s were 0.0001% of what is needed. And people are still butthurt about them, the backlash from the top has been ongoing on ever since.

But back to the crimes of poor people. Let's explore the space, yeah?

Did you know that it's the drug dealers on the street that make money off drugs -- that bankers are washing **** all, that they mostly help people make sound investment decision that are good for everyone? It's little peasants growing drugs because they got tired of growing food, and then poor people do the drug mules and give the drugs to street dealers. It's a network of filthy, poor people.

They also make the guns they then do the drug crimes with. They make guns, force people to pay for a military, then vote to send that military into war to control oil. Because filthy little poor people just can't get enough of oil and their private ******* jets.

And then there's the "work" they do. Actually, they just show up and get paid, because rich people make and pay for everything.


It's apt to talk about such stuff on a religious forum. They say jump and you say how high, you're brain dead, you got a ******* bullet in your head. I'm sorry, but just thinking that this topic exists and flaunts this dumb, inhumane crap makes me angry. Just disagreeing doesn't satisfy me, I want to stomp it back into the ground from which it came >:[


And NONE of this has to do with "hating on" "wealth". I've known plenty of perfectly decent, and obscenely rich people. The just aren't aware of what they're partaking in. If they were, they would adjust. Wealth, pah. I threw more away than others will ever have, wealth is boring. Food, clothes, shelter, education, equality (by that I mean all people being equal citizens, not thickness of bank accounts being proportional to number of votes... not that everybody should be genetically engineered to be and have exactly the same, all the time) - FOR ALL, OR I AM ******** BRICKS. god ************* damnit.

u mad bro?