Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe what I am saying is that gods are not lesser Gods. They definitely are lesser than God by far.
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For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?
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Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Just delete a duplicate post… In the ‘reason for deletion’ put that… ‘Duplicate Post’. That’s it!!
I reviewed the thread and the original question. "For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?"
Actually no one will ultimately find out the 'True' nature of Jesus one way or the other, because the conflict and diversity over the 'mystery' is a subjective interpretation of scripture, It will remain in a way unknown in the diverse interpretations of the different sects of Christianity from the Trinity to Unity no Trinity are set in doctrine that people will not likely change. The ultimate reality of God is likely unknowable.
Yes, according to your understanding of a Trinitarian God, Jesus as God incarnate Created everything, but not everyone agrees in the concept of a Trinitarian God, and many believe the concept of a Trinitarian God is a later interpretation of the Bible arrived at as a doctrine of the Roman Church. You have to realize the Jews in their understanding of their book in Hebrew there is no basis for this belief.
Brian2
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It helps if you believe what the Bible tells us about Jesus and not just what people think about the Trinity teaching and the Roman Catholic Church.
Most Baha'is seem willing to ignore the Bible.
Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Yes, Brian2, it really does help to believe what the Bible scriptures tells us about the nature of Jesus Christ and not what the Roman Catholic Church and all it’s trinitarian offsprings tries to tell us. There are other things to watch out for but trinity is the greatest of all to hold in restraint.
The above reflects blind irrational faith of an ancient tribal agenda with intentional ignorance of science. There are many diverse conflicting beliefs in the interpretation of the Bible without considering what the Baha'is believe.
The Baha'i Faith does not ignore the Bible just because the religion disagrees with you. The many diverse Christians that disagree with you do not ignore the Bible,
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the Qu'ran says something to the affect that God will clue everyone in at the end.
I believe that is false because information from the Holy Spirit is not subjective.
I believe there is no such thing. God is in the Trinity but He is not a trinity.
Jesus as God incarnate was conceived well after creation. It is God in Jesus who created everything.
I believe this is a belief without any foundation other than fantasy.
I believe there is plenty of evidence for the Trinity in the OT.
By definition any interaction from what you describe as the 'Holy Spirit' is subjective and by definition of the 'Mind only' without objective verifiable evidence. The problem remains that believers from many diverse conflicting versions of Christianity claim to be inspired by the 'Holy Spirit' and disagree with you,
This is not a citation by me, but reflects the contradictions, confusion of the interpretations of scripture because of the ambiguous nature of ancient tribal scripture.
According to the Jews, which the Torah is their book in their language none. Christians who do not believe in the Trinity do not believe the Torah supports the Trinity, The problem remains the Bible is to ambiguous to result in one uniform interpretation of the nature of God, which in Jewish tradition is unknown.
Brian2
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Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
OK, but this does not support the Trinity whether it is true or not.
Brian2
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No it was not said to support the Trinity. It supports, and also your "whether it is true or not" supports my contention about Baha'is and the Bible.
The fruit of a false prophet.
The reference has nothing to do with the belief of the Baha'i Faith.
My argument is there are to many entrenched conflicting subjective beliefs in the nature of Christ and the relationship with God for there ever be a hypothetical resolution that would effect what Christians believe as per the title of the thread. The Bible is to ambiguous for any true resolution. The belief one way or the other could never be unravelled to a resolution that would effect what people subjectively believe. It is possible that Jesus was simply the son of Joseph who made a claim to be the Messiah and was crucified under Roman Law for claiming to be the King of the Jews, and the rest of the story is mythology
For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?
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It is clear that people can choose any of the thousands or millions of different beliefs about almost everything that can be talked about in this world... That does not imply that there is not a reality to which everyone who sincerely seeks it can access.
It is obvious that if there is a God of the Truth in the Universe, He will help people who sincerely seek Him to be able to find Him and learn from Him, and stop being carried from one place to another by any doctrinal wind.
It is obvious that if there is a God of the Truth in the Universe, He will help people who sincerely seek Him to be able to find Him and learn from Him, and stop being carried from one place to another by any doctrinal wind.
He? It is not obvious by definition that God exists. I do believe in a universal God.
In online religious discussions it seems to be a constant forgetting that the Creator of the Universe has His own personality.
Many of us consider that in addition to the Bible as an inspired book that reveals many of the truths that He wants to share with humans, nature is another way to discover the personality of God.
For example, when we see the tenderness with which animal mothers treat their young, we recognize the tenderness of God himself in creating that instinctive mechanism in those beasts without conscience; or by seeing those same tiny baby animals playing we can discern the sense of humor that the Creator of all animals has, who is the One who has made sure that they do not lack food in their own natural environment. If we see the flowers, the butterflies, the birds, we understand the good taste of the Creator and how he teaches us to discover beauty in his creative work, or if we contemplate the vastness of the Universe we discover the power it has to keep it organized and functional, as well as the wisdom he displayed when he created all the things we behold.
So we can understand the personality of God in a few different ways... And among his fundamental qualities are his love and goodness, expressed in the interest that he showed in every detail of the things that he created, for the enjoyment of humans. Obviously that love would imply that he is interested in our well-being, and in our discovering the truth about certain matters that concern us deeply: what solution there is to our human problems, what the future holds for us, etc. Surely he has devised ways so that we are not without guidance in our search for truth.
Many of us consider that in addition to the Bible as an inspired book that reveals many of the truths that He wants to share with humans, nature is another way to discover the personality of God.
For example, when we see the tenderness with which animal mothers treat their young, we recognize the tenderness of God himself in creating that instinctive mechanism in those beasts without conscience; or by seeing those same tiny baby animals playing we can discern the sense of humor that the Creator of all animals has, who is the One who has made sure that they do not lack food in their own natural environment. If we see the flowers, the butterflies, the birds, we understand the good taste of the Creator and how he teaches us to discover beauty in his creative work, or if we contemplate the vastness of the Universe we discover the power it has to keep it organized and functional, as well as the wisdom he displayed when he created all the things we behold.
So we can understand the personality of God in a few different ways... And among his fundamental qualities are his love and goodness, expressed in the interest that he showed in every detail of the things that he created, for the enjoyment of humans. Obviously that love would imply that he is interested in our well-being, and in our discovering the truth about certain matters that concern us deeply: what solution there is to our human problems, what the future holds for us, etc. Surely he has devised ways so that we are not without guidance in our search for truth.
Even though I believe in a universal Creator God (not a He!).All of the above can be explained by science and evolution as a product of Natural Laws and natural processes.
I also believe our physical existence reflects the attributes of God, not God's personality that's too anthropomorphic.
Your blind faith in the human mind is admirable!!!
Has anyone told you what percent of the things that exist humans can actually perceive?
Have you ever thought about how many times scientists have changed paradigms and updated their knowledge about the things they previously defended tooth and nail?
I do prefer to put my faith in the Creator, the One you seem to ignore even if you think He (it???, she???, they???
) is somewhere ...
Has anyone told you what percent of the things that exist humans can actually perceive?
Have you ever thought about how many times scientists have changed paradigms and updated their knowledge about the things they previously defended tooth and nail?
I do prefer to put my faith in the Creator, the One you seem to ignore even if you think He (it???, she???, they???
) is somewhere ...
Trailblazer
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I believe that God will guide them if they sincerely seek God.
““Whoso maketh efforts for Us,” he shall enjoy the blessings conferred by the words: “In Our Ways shall We assuredly guide him.””
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 266-267
Doctrines create a barrier that prevents sincere seeking. Once one has a particular bias it is near impossible to get past that bias and see things differently.