Yeah, I saw a bad *** kicking ***.
Didn't even think about gender roles while watching it.
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For Women: Wonder Woman is super sexist and now I'm confused...
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Yeah, I saw a bad *** kicking ***.
Didn't even think about gender roles while watching it.
I know!
It ws that well done.
It was only upon reflection & repeated viewings that its multi-faceted brialliance dawned upon me.
(I'm slow.)
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I just saw the movie.
Wanted to wait until I actually saw the movie to comment further.
Wanted to wait until I actually saw the movie to comment further.
WW is the same as Superman. Alien fighting for human causes. Falls in love with human. They both wear very tight outfits, poses sexy, kills the bad guys except one didn't save the love in distress. Maybe that was the sexist part.
I think I understand, I'm more about those darker stories, and they don't resonate with modern audiences well. But usually Rorschach is the one thing everyone praises about the movie, what didn't you like?
I don't mind dark stories. One of my favorite comics ever is Transmetropolitan, which is a sci-fi dystopia modeled after Hunter S Thompson and gonzo journalism, and addressing Nixon-esque corruption. It's quite dark, but a different sort of dark. The darkness is less of an atmospheric thing with broody characters. Transmet is less depressed and more angry. Don't get me wrong, Watchmen is not grimdark for its own sake like Dark Knight was, it had a large degree of complexity. But I still favor other stories.
As for Rorsh, he was a character made to parody the romantic Steve Ditko, a grumpy objectivist romantic. And in the comics, Rorsh is totally the romantic of the story. The world doesn't conform to his idealic image so **** it, I'm going to either let it rot or beat it into submission. However, he was also portrayed as utterly pathetic in the comic. A whiny man stuck so far up his own delusions that he never bathes, he has little concept of how people actually function, and he kills himself rather than make the tough choice. He also lives by mooching off people ultimately more empathetic than he is.
He was Ditko (and Snyder's) favorite character. Largely without getting the implications. Which is why Moore giggles about it. Literally. He explained this in an interview and started giggling.
Damn straight!
Only seen the trailers so far but I'm already a little put-off by the casting: she's too skinny!
Wonder Woman is supposed to be a super hero! Not a super model! She's supposed to be an amazon! Not an anorexic!
Still going to watch the movie though.
Wonder Woman is supposed to be a super hero! Not a super model! She's supposed to be an amazon! Not an anorexic!
Still going to watch the movie though.
But to be beautiful you must be skinny, because that is totally not sexist.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
My wife wanted to see WW, so we went. I was surprised that it was actually a pretty decent movie, and better than most superhero movies I've seen. WW is obviously a strong, capable women - she's a superhero after all, but, I didn't really get the connection between WW and feminism (particularly contemporary feminism), as WW didn't complain about being a victim and blame men for everything. She just got **** done - an admirable trait in anyone, whatever their sex, and one sorely lacking in modern social ideologies.
Huh?
You guys know that Gal was Israeli Defense Force and did military training for this role, and the other actresses were largely stunt women hired at an unprecedented rate to highlight the strength of the Amazon's right?
I do agree with that last bit, though. The secretary character seemed like an unnecessary inclusion. Not because she couldn't provide a counterpoint, but she wasn't written well enough to.
No, and I don't think anybody else would have figured that out by looking at her either.
According to the charts below:
Height and Weight Chart - height weight chart, weight height chart
Ideal Weights for Women
At 5'10'' and 130 lbs, she's underweight even for a small framed woman.
Gal Gadot Height Weight Body Statistics - Healthy Celeb
An athlete (and one would assume a superhero) would generally be a mesomorph, or a medium framed person. Going by that, Gal Gadot is a good 12 to 26 lbs underweight.
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Not a size zero, can't be a hero. The feminism of WW.
BMI charts are not actually medically sound tools. ( Why BMI is inaccurate and misleading ) My doctor determined that in order for me to get to healthy BMI I would have to cut calories to below 1200, an unsafe low, because of my metabolic rate as well as hormone involvement. Different weights for different frames, different circumstances for different individuals. Being thin framed doesn't mean you can't be powerful, healthy and energetic as evidence by her service and workouts.
Also worth pointing out that the somatotypes (endomoroh, mesomorph and ectomorphs) are an eugenics relic that thrived on stereotyping body types and is pretty widely criticized today.
Somatotype and constitutional psychology - Wikipedia
Thin shaming isn't more acceptable than fat shaming, guys. She's not a size zero, she's not anorexic, and by all accounts neither unhealthy nor weak. It doesn't help larger framed individuals in the movie industry or anywhere by criticizing people who by all accounts are healthy but thin.
Also @1137 it looks like you're trying to find any reason to criticize this movie at this point.
One of the easiest to criticize I've seen in a long time, though I'd probably care less if it wasn't being pushed as some ground breaking movie for women. Also note that I'm certainly not shaming low body weight, as long as you're not morbidly obese or horrifyingly skinny more power to you. I'm shaming DC and the pseudo-feminists fawning over WW when the movie does literally nothing new for women.
K. I'm not seeing anyone saying it's 'doing anything new for women' full stop. It is, arguably, doing new things for superhero movies and big action blockbusters. Though I reiterate that this isn't my favorite in action genre, it arguably is the most feminist superhero movie so far.
Also why DC? This a marvel vs dc thing? Because it isn't for me. The vast majority of DC movies have, to my tastes, been abysmal (including the objectivist Nolan Batmans).