For Women: Wonder Woman is super sexist and now I'm confused...

[Quagmire]

BMI charts are not actually medically sound tools. ( Why BMI is inaccurate and misleading ) My doctor determined that in order for me to get to healthy BMI I would have to cut calories to below 1200, an unsafe low, because of my metabolic rate as well as hormone involvement. Different weights for different frames, different circumstances for different individuals. Being thin framed doesn't mean you can't be powerful, healthy and energetic as evidence by her service and workouts.
Also worth pointing out that the somatotypes (endomoroh, mesomorph and ectomorphs) are an eugenics relic that thrived on stereotyping body types and is pretty widely criticized today.
Somatotype and constitutional psychology - Wikipedia

Regardless, it's reasonable to expect a super hero to have a classically "heroic" build, and there are physical features that are inseparable from the image. Being unusually muscular is towards the top of the list, for both sexes.

Thin shaming isn't more acceptable than fat shaming, guys.

Nobodies "shaming" anybody. Saying that someone is something other than the physical ideal for a certain role (when they are) is a pretty reasonable observation: if they picked Johnny Depp to play the next Tarzan, pointing out that he's too small, too old, and not nearly buff enough isn't an insult, it's just stating an (pretty well justified) opinion.

She's not a size zero, she's not anorexic,

Should cut people a little slack for poetic license.

and by all accounts neither unhealthy nor weak. It doesn't help larger framed individuals in the movie industry or anywhere by criticizing people who by all accounts are healthy but thin.

This is a movie review, not a public service announcement. Not trying to help or hurt anybody, just pointing out what to me seems obvious.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Regardless, it's reasonable to expect a super hero to have a classically "heroic" build, and there are physical features that are inseparable from the image. Being unusually muscular is towards the top of the list, for both sexes.



Nobodies "shaming" anybody. Saying that someone is something other than the physical ideal for a certain role (when they are) is a pretty reasonable observation: if they picked Johnny Depp to play the next Tarzan, pointing out that he's too small, too old, and not nearly buff enough isn't an insult, it's just stating an (pretty well justified) opinion.



Should cut people a little slack for poetic license.



This is a movie review, not a public service announcement. Not trying to help or hurt anybody, just pointing out what to me seems obvious.

Neverninding that we've had Tarzan movies with thin framed people before

And we've had Jonny Depp in action roles in the not-too-distant past:

We've also had the reverse where someone expected to be a reedy skinny pot head and office worker and nerd was actually played by someone quite ripped:

I'm just saying, as a plus sized woman I care way less about a buff small framed woman playing WW than I do the plus sized accessory character.

Edit: Also classic WW:

 

[Quagmire]

Neverninding that we've had Tarzan movies with thin framed people before

And we've had Jonny Depp in action roles in the not-too-distant past:

We've also had the reverse where someone expected to be a reedy skinny pot head and office worker and nerd was actually played by someone quite ripped:

I'm just saying, as a plus sized woman I care way less about a buff small framed woman playing WW than I do the plus sized accessory character.

Yes, Wonder Woman wasn't the first movie where they choose a lead actor who was less than physically ideal for the part (those first two movies sucked btw).

Doesn't take away anything from my objection. Unless the studio was going for the anime version of WW:

They slightly missed the mark:

 

[Quagmire]

I would shrink that first picture down and repost it if it weren't for the fact that one of our recent upgrades made editing pictures in here impossible.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I would shrink that first picture down and repost it if it weren't for the fact that one of our recent upgrades made editing pictures in here impossible.

I'm on my phone so I can't see resolution sizes. If mine are too big I can put them behind a spoiler when I get back.

Yes, Wonder Woman wasn't the first movie where they choose a lead actor who was less than physically ideal for the part (those first two movies sucked btw).

Doesn't take away anything from my objection. Unless the studio was going for the anime version of WW:

They slightly missed the mark:

That last pic is hardly what I would call 'classic' WW. When I think classic I think Silver Age.

Not that both aren't acceptable. Like black Nic Fury or white Fury.

 

[Quagmire]

Neverninding that we've had Tarzan movies with thin framed people before
And we've had Jonny Depp in action roles in the not-too-distant past:

We've also had the reverse where someone expected to be a reedy skinny pot head and office worker and nerd was actually played by someone quite ripped:


I'm just saying, as a plus sized woman I care way less about a buff small framed woman playing WW than I do the plus sized accessory character.

Edit: Also classic WW:

Yes, and Lynda Carter had much more meat on her bones than the most recent WW.

Yes, before comicbook art was actually art.

 

[Quagmire]

I'm on my phone so I can't see resolution sizes. If mine are too big I can put them behind a spoiler when I get back.

I was talking about mine

That last pic is hardly what I would call 'classic' WW. When I think classic I think Silver Age.

Not that both aren't acceptable. Like black Nic Fury or white Fury.

Classic isn't necessarily best.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I was talking about mine



Classic isn't necessarily best.

I was more referring to the "classic" heroic figure thing. While I agree, classic isn't best, I also don't believe there is an ideally type for this part. Gal was skinnier than Lynda but also more tone. A girlish WW more like the new 52 would also be acceptable. Or if they got Jenny Pacey to do it (although who knows if her acting woukd have fit)

 

[Milton Platt]

Slight spoilers here. Wonder Woman is being applauded as a great equalizer, taking on sexism with a bad[butt] heroine... who dresses like a hooker, immediately goes for the penis when she meets a man, begs him to sleep next to her, and only can save the day because she fell in love with his beautiful blue eyes. I'm sorry to women out there if I seem ignorant, but is this really the dream: to be objectified as sex starved, promiscuous, scantly clad objects who cannot accomplish their goals without a sexy man? I really don't get it, this is how you've been portrayed for so long and suddenly it's magically empowering, not sexist? I need someone to help me out here.

I think she was supposed to do all these things dressed in a business suit......

 

[1137]

Ignoring the fact the WW was basically used as a male fetish device doesn't help anything. Sure, the costume is accurate, and the look may be accurate... because that's what men wanted to see tied up in a (one's own) lasso. Hell, Laurie from Watchmen wears more clothes!

 

[1137]

I think she was supposed to do all these things dressed in a business suit......

I'm sure batman can, and if the whole supposed win here is that women can magically do what men can (how is this excitement not itself sexist???) then why can't WW fight in a suit? But even that's being a bit ridiculous... do batman and superman also need to dress in a fathers least favorite Halloween costume for their daughter to fight crime? I'm pretty sure literally only their head is uncovered.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm sure batman can, and if the whole supposed win here is that women can magically do what men can (how is this excitement not itself sexist???) then why can't WW fight in a suit? But even that's being a bit ridiculous... do batman and superman also need to dress in a fathers least favorite Halloween costume for their daughter to fight crime? I'm pretty sure literally only their head is uncovered.

You realize that your concern can be viewed as quite sexist and domineering?
"Father's least favourite outfit" as if a woman has to be covered to be modest and therefore a classy or good girl. Or that a woman has no real option but to dress more modestly just to appease her fatherly figure or some other such controlling of a woman's choice in clothing.
Sex negative they call it, colloquially. Which is a school of feminism, apparently. But ehh, a bit too dare I say, prudish to some. Which is fine, their choice is their choice.

The latest WW's outfit is clearly reminiscent of the traditional Greek warrior garb, which didn't exactly cover up a lot on the males either. And a big part of WW is her sexuality. She was supposed to be sexually liberating, so covering her up is ironically going to body shame her character imo.
Her history is basically being a proto 2nd Wave feminist burning the bra and taking control of one's own sexuality, instead of it being controlled by men. She owns her own body and is comfortable enough in her own skin to wear her outfits.

Seems to me that this is merely a prudish American concern as I have yet to encounter any fan, male or female, outside the US who gives two craps about what she's wearing (except during the infamously bad 70s fashion obsessed era. Which ironically covered her up more.)

 

[1137]

15 Reasons The 'Wonder Woman' Movie Is Actually The Worst

 

[lewisnotmiller]

All the male super heroes are sexualized too. I guess you only notice the females. I wonder why.

Come on now, that is a stretch. There is sexualization of male heroes, yes, but it's hardly apples and apples, and it's not 'all'.

 

[suncowiam]

Come on now, that is a stretch. There is sexualization of male heroes, yes, but it's hardly apples and apples, and it's not 'all'.

Many male heroes are in very tight outfits and have similar action poses. I used to draw comic heroes when I was younger. If you actually draw the lines and poses, you will notice it's not different between the two sexes.

My take on this, is that females are still suppressed of their sexuality compared to their male counter parts. Males do not have to wear shirts and can expose their chests, while females can not. Females have to cover up more or it will be seen as too much sexuality. Yes, it's not apples to apples, because females are placed at a different level of sexuality than males to begin with, so they appear to be more sexualized when actually doing the same thing as males.

 

[james bond]

Slight spoilers here. Wonder Woman is being applauded as a great equalizer, taking on sexism with a bad[butt] heroine... who dresses like a hooker, immediately goes for the penis when she meets a man, begs him to sleep next to her, and only can save the day because she fell in love with his beautiful blue eyes. I'm sorry to women out there if I seem ignorant, but is this really the dream: to be objectified as sex starved, promiscuous, scantly clad objects who cannot accomplish their goals without a sexy man? I really don't get it, this is how you've been portrayed for so long and suddenly it's magically empowering, not sexist? I need someone to help me out here.

The movie wasn't like that at all. For the risque stuff, there was hints of lesbianism with, "They came to the conclusion that men are essential for procreation, but when it comes to pleasure... unnecessary." Diana said this.

Roman gladiators were scantily clad. It's just part of wearing leather armor, showing one's physique and to better see injuries..

Actually, I thought the movie was a great date movie. We both had fun. It was an entertaining summer blockbuster movie. She probably liked the romantic parts. I liked looking at WW. The ending was sad. The story had layers. I couldn't believe this was the director's second movie. First action one. The two hours flew by. One of the few good movies under the DC brand.

 

[james bond]

Anyone over the age of 6 should not be looking up to Wonder Woman or any other comic book superhero.

Says the guy with an avatar of an iron man cartoon character with a shield. Nothing wrong with fantasy. This movie was made for both adults and children over 13 by adults.

 

[Revoltingest]

Says the guy with an avatar of an iron man cartoon character with a shield. Nothing wrong with fantasy. This movie was made for both adults and children over 13 by adults.

...the gal with an avatar.....

 

[Watchmen]

Slight spoilers here. Wonder Woman is being applauded as a great equalizer, taking on sexism with a bad[butt] heroine... who dresses like a hooker, immediately goes for the penis when she meets a man, begs him to sleep next to her, and only can save the day because she fell in love with his beautiful blue eyes. I'm sorry to women out there if I seem ignorant, but is this really the dream: to be objectified as sex starved, promiscuous, scantly clad objects who cannot accomplish their goals without a sexy man? I really don't get it, this is how you've been portrayed for so long and suddenly it's magically empowering, not sexist? I need someone to help me out here.

You're obviously exaggerating and misconstruing.

 

[Flankerl]

Says the guy with an avatar of an iron man cartoon character with a shield. Nothing wrong with fantasy. This movie was made for both adults and children over 13 by adults.

1. Gal
2. Samus Aran in her exoskeleton
3. Just because I choose it as my avatar doesn't mean I look up to the character or want to be her. I know that's a difficult concept.