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French Cartoonist arrest in Paris for Blasphemy!

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
You cannot control speech anymore ... not in this age. The left today is all about control not freedom, the very opposite of what was a liberal in the previous century, but those individuals soon realize they cannot control anything and as a result become more frustrated and dangerous to others and liberty and society in general. And the right, which in previous centuries was about conserving the past, such as traditions and thus called conservatives, has almost switched places with the liberals of the past and have largely become the stalwarts for less government, less control, more free speech, some to the extent they are almost anarchists on the extreme side of liberty. Actually the conservatives in America have been representitive of such liberty for a long time, while some in Europe have been Royalists and so on.

Whatever side, and my opinion the left today is the example of control freaks who think they can control and govern even the entire weather, "control" is rapidly becoming beyond their rather simplistic hands. Today the communists in China and the mullahs in Iran are finding control more and more difficult when it comes to the propagation of ideas and speech good or bad. In the US, where the Obamanists want to now control content on the internet, they will totally fail in the end even though they will slow down capitalist driven technology in the beginning, in the end every person will easily be able to circumvent their every effort to control speech and will cheaply and easily setup their own "super highways" of "information" - arrests on "hate crime" by the left will also fail because the speech of others WILL get to their audience be it anonymous, and widely will do so, and even those in government who think they can "control" others are not so smart as they think and themselves will have their "outlets" of control "attacked" and silenced themselves in relalition.

Sometimes I try to explain the origins of modern Islamic extremism which is a political movement started in the former North West Province of what was once part of India that glorified an Empire, the Ottoman, as a "utopia" by power hungry Muslim politicians who never lived in the Ottoman Empire and built a fantasy to the villagers they wanted to influence so they could try and take control of, this along with adopting terror and fake propaganda such as "The Elders of Zion" rode on the wave of the cheap printing press of the time, took to pamphlets and to aggrievance politics, the cheap printing press could not be stopped. It then spread to the Middle East and Arabia, in the ME the socialist Baathists took up the mantra for their own agendas of dictatorship but both there and back in Pakistan they lost control of the very villagers they wanted to inspire who actually started to believe this nonsense.

Today the same we see from the left in the West. Be it for good intentions or bad intentions (typically the later) the fact is they will not be able to control anything. So better to project better ideas than control, and prove it with success. That is the way. But I largely see failure, and perhaps there is no "answer", often those who say they have the "solution" only take us to "final solutions" which result in mass famine and death and cults.
 
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Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
So if the right wing Israelis, and a new Republican Government in America start a World War with Iraq, its all the left wings fault, the left wing is the one wanting to start wars and control the World??????
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
These are almost all instances where crimes linked to anti semitic beliefs are against the law, not anti semitism itself. In the US it is called hate crime, hatred of Jews, Muslims, homosexuals etc linked to crimes.



Well the most obvious would be the relatively peaceful (reformed) former leader of the PLO, Yassar Arafat.
Is that really a relevant example? It seems to be oversimplifying the death of Arafat to claim that it was done simply because he "made fun" of a group of people or their beliefs/prophets.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Well it just goes to show you don't make fun of Mossad and get away with it.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Yeah an old man that just happened to die with a deadly amount of radioactive polonium in his system, how normal is that.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Well it just goes to show you don't make fun of Mossad and get away with it.
Can you answer my question please? Why do you think that Arafat's death was simply due to him making fun of the Jewish people? That was your claim, but you did not present anything to back it up.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I'm sure many of Arafat's associates will testify to the effect that Yassar liked to make fun of the Jewish people. No evidence though..........
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Yeah an old man that just happened to die with a deadly amount of radioactive polonium in his system, how normal is that.

An allegation which emerged 8 years after he died.
One would have thought that they would use a revelation like that way sooner.

Oh and by the way the French Prosecuter quite recently stated otherwise.

French experts reaffirm conclusion that Arafat was not poisoned | Maan News Agency

Probably works for the Jews... just like Ma'an lol


Isn't it amazing how something like that doesn't hit the Breaking News section?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
An allegation which emerged 8 years after he died.
One would have thought that they would use a revelation like that way sooner.

Oh and by the way the French Prosecuter quite recently stated otherwise.

French experts reaffirm conclusion that Arafat was not poisoned | Maan News Agency

Probably works for the Jews... just like Ma'an lol


Isn't it amazing how something like that doesn't hit the Breaking News section?

I'm well aware that in some kind of Parallel universe Arafat wasn't poisoned but died of natural causes, but I live in this world.
 

philbo

High Priest of Cynicism
If Mossad went round killing anyone who mocked Judaism, they'd have to start with pretty much every Jewish comedian. How Woody Allen & Jackie Mason have lasted this long, god only knows.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
So did the French Prosecutor just lie or is it the Jews fault? Or perhaps both.

Given that Mossad presumably had co-operation and collusion from the French government in the poisoning, it is not unlikely that the French prosecutor might lie. What they did find is an extremely high level of polonium on Yassar's toothbrush 8 years after he died, of course you think that is just some kind of natural coinkidink, I for one, do not!!
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Just a heads-up about not taking the OP seriously, and proof for that are the biases that come out in spades on the homepage of said site, which can be found here: Non-Aligned Media - Question Everything
Yes, I was actually wondering why he named his site "non-aligned" when in actuality he seems to take a pretty strong anti-Israel stance. He even wrote a book about how Israel is supporting ISIS for their own goals!
I'm sure other than that, he's probably very reliable and unbiased.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Tumah and flanker are in favour of dismissing any cartoons about jews as antisemitism( the new holy commandment of the west).

Antisemitism gives them free card to:
1) killing palestinian babies
2) stealing lands of palestinians
3) properties looted from palestinians
4) racist remarks against arabs

So much rights comes with "antisemitism" card! Its like mastercard.

You are in favor of dismissing anti-Islamic cartoons as hate speech and blasphemy.

"Hate speech" and "blasphemy" give people like you a free card to

1) Make hateful and ignorant generalizations about non-Muslims

2) Persecute minorities like homosexuals

3) Encourage violence against people you disagree with, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Last time I checked, hypocrisy was supposed to be a sin in your religion. Apparently that commandment is not particularly high on your list of observance, is it?
 

HonestJoe

Well-Known Member
Making cartoons about Zionists(and jews) is the new blasphemy in Europe. U can insult God and Jesus pbuh, but not the Jews! Dont criticize Israel or u will be labled as antisemite!
This has nothing to do with blasphemy - if anything quite it's the opposite. If you actually read and understood the link you used in your own OP, you see that;

The judge has indicted the designer of incitement to racial, religious hatred, by speech, writing, picture or means of electronic communication.

Similar material about Christians, Muslims, Blacks or Asians would fall foul of the same law. Insulting God, Jesus (or Mohammed) doesn't fall foul of the same law (doesn't make it right just not illegal). Just insulting Jews or Zionists wouldn't fall foul of the law for that matter. Criticising Israel certainly doesn't (the courts would be packed otherwise). Clearly the prosecutor feels these cartoons went further than that though she'll need to make her case in court to secure a conviction.
 
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