French Cartoonist arrest in Paris for Blasphemy!

[Servant_of_the_One1]

This has nothing to do with blasphemy - if anything quite it's the opposite. If you actually read and understood the link you used in your own OP, you see that;



Similar material about Christians, Muslims, Blacks or Asians would fall foul of the same law. Insulting God, Jesus (or Mohammed) doesn't fall foul of the same law (doesn't make it right just not illegal). Just insulting Jews or Zionists wouldn't fall foul of the law for that matter. Criticising Israel certainly doesn't (the courts would be packed otherwise). Clearly the prosecutor feels these cartoons went further than that though she'll need to make her case in court to secure a conviction.

Nonsense

 

[Tumah]

Nonsense

HonestJoe is honest.

 

[gsa]

Good comment Tumah, Well I can't speak for Europe, but here in America Muslims have much more to fear from hate than Jews IMHO. I wish we could just fight hatred on all fronts, but unfortunately hate is all that some people have to live for.

Hate crime statistics beg to differ.

 

[Lyndon]

Yes and aren't there ten times as many Jews in America as Muslims?

 

[HonestJoe]

Nonsense

You'll have to forgive me but it may take a while before I find the time to analyse and respond to such a well-constructed and detailed rebuttal to my reply.

 

[gsa]

Yes and there are ten times as many Jews as Muslims in America.

I doubt ten times as many, although there are presumably more. In any event:

Overall, anti-Muslim crimes now make up about 13 percent of religiously-motivated hate crimes, and 2 percent of all hate crimes in general.

It should be noted that Jews are consistently targeted for their faith more often than members of any other religious group, and that anti-Semitic crimes accounted for roughly 60 percent of religious hate crimes last year. Muslims are the second-most frequently targeted.

I will make it easy for you: 60%>13%.

 

[gsa]

I think that we should allow hate speech, and I don't think that this vile anti-Semitic cartoonist should face criminal penalties for his "art." However, I also don't think that this is comparable to Charlie Hebdo for rather obvious reasons that have already been stated. I also think that those who compare or conflate the two are being deliberately dishonest, which is what I have come to expect from them on this topic.

 

[Flankerl]

Given that Mossad presumably had co-operation and collusion from the French government in the poisoning, it is not unlikely that the French prosecutor might lie. What they did find is an extremely high level of polonium on Yassar's toothbrush 8 years after he died, of course you think that is just some kind of natural coinkidink, I for one, do not!!

Ah I see the French government which has been pro-Arab since the late 60s and its end of Israeli support cooperated with the Mossad.

Why the **** not as long as its the fault of the Jews.
Inb4 Arafats wife(you know the one who has all that money of the Palestinians) was in on the deal because she started the whole investigation in France.

 

[Lyndon]

I doubt ten times as many, although there are presumably more. In any event:

Overall, anti-Muslim crimes now make up about 13 percent of religiously-motivated hate crimes, and 2 percent of all hate crimes in general.

It should be noted that Jews are consistently targeted for their faith more often than members of any other religious group, and that anti-Semitic crimes accounted for roughly 60 percent of religious hate crimes last year. Muslims are the second-most frequently targeted.

I will make it easy for you: 60%>13%.

60% vs 13% means roughly 4 times as many reported hate crimes against Jews as Muslims if we are to believe your statistics. But there are more than 4 times as many Jews as there are Muslims, so Muslims are actually more likely to suffer from a hate crime, and its only getting worse, thanks in part to vehement anti Islamic propaganda on the internet of all places!!

 

[gsa]

60% vs 13% means roughly 4 times as many reported hate crimes against Jews as Muslims if we are to believe your statistics. But there are more than 4 times as many Jews as there are Muslims, so Muslims are actually more likely to suffer from a hate crime, and its only getting worse, thanks in part to vehement anti Islamic propaganda on the internet of all places!!

Uh huh. So from wiki:

In 2012, demographers estimated the core American Jewish population (including religious and non-religious) to be 5,425,000 (or 1.73% of the US population in 2012), citing methodological failures in the previous higher estimates

Now Islam is usually estimated around 2 million. 2X4=8. 2.7125X2=5.425. Am I missing something here?

 

[Lyndon]

Well judging just from this forum Islamphobia is a much stronger element than anti semitism, so I don't know where your getting your statistics about hate crimes, could it be just that Jews report hate crimes more than Muslims??

 

[gsa]

Well judging just from this forum Islamphobia is a much stronger element than anti semitism, so I don't know where your getting your statistics about hate crimes, could it be just that Jews report hate crimes more than Muslims??

I think you need to stop using that nonsense word "Islamophobia." It conveys absolutely nothing, because opposing the religion is not some sort of phobia. There are people who are bigoted and anti-Muslim, but that's not what is happening for the most part on these forums. Additionally, I doubt it is reasoned criticism of Islam that motivates anti-Muslim bias.

It is possible that Jews report hate crimes more than Muslims. It is also possible that anti-Semitism is a much bigger problem than anti-Muslim bias.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Making cartoons about Zionists(and jews) is the new blasphemy in Europe. U can insult God and Jesus pbuh, but not the Jews! Dont criticize Israel or u will be labled as antisemite!


French cartoonist Zeon arrested for anti-Zionist work - Non-Aligned Media

Since when is Europe friendly towards Israel?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Lewisnotmiller, You left out Atheism, 0/11...............

Nope, didnt leave it out at all. No blasphemy law would protect atheism, since its not a religion.

But for the record, if someone tried adding it to blasphemy laws, I'd be dead against it.

Now, are you really suggesting you don't want any religions protected? Whilst happy with that, I thought you had issue with Charlie Hedbo, for example.

That's purely working from my fairly poor memory, so happy to be corrected.

 

[Quagmire]

Where in the article does it say he was "arrested for blasphemy"?

Says he was arrested for "incitement to racial, religious hatred, by speech, writing, picture or means of electronic communication".

 

[Lyndon]

Nope, didnt leave it out at all. No blasphemy law would protect atheism, since its not a religion.

But for the record, if someone tried adding it to blasphemy laws, I'd be dead against it.

Now, are you really suggesting you don't want any religions protected? Whilst happy with that, I thought you had issue with Charlie Hedbo, for example.

That's purely working from my fairly poor memory, so happy to be corrected.

Blasphemy for an Atheist is to affirm there is a God.......

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Blasphemy for an Atheist is to affirm there is a God.......

No it's not. It's about as blasphemous to me as if you tell me baseball is a better sport than basketball.

Long as you dont try and make me wear a catchers mitt when im shooting hoops, I couldnt honestly give a crap.

 

[Lyndon]

Cricket is clearly superior to baseball, and basketball, aren't you watching the world cup??

 

[Revoltingest]

Cricket is clearly superior to baseball, and basketball, aren't you watching the world cup??

Hey, you might know.....I don't to read all the posts....has it really been established that it's legal
in France to dis Muslims in cartoons, but illegal to do the same to Jews, Zionists or Israelis?

 

[Lyndon]

Actually Revolt, that is what appears to be true, but the source of the OPs news story is a little bit questionable??? So maybe we need to look for supporting evidence, certainly France has laws against holocaust denial, and possibly anti semitism, but certainly no similar laws against spreading lies and hatred towards Islam, that's all protected "free" speech, at least from what I've been able to gather.