From 'born again' to agnostic

[waitasec]

Indeed
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,IT IS FINISHED : and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.



Thanks for the education.


It sure differed here.....

Luke 22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless NOT MY WILL, but, THINE be done.



The Son is a manifestation of the Father, bearing His more humble attributes. If you are talking of judgment, then you are speaking of the third part of the trinity.



You say that it contains error. Is it therefore fixable?

just curious
what's your take on Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
coming from heaven right?
was that about the 2nd coming?

 

[TEXASBULL]

Why then did Jesus pardon the woman caught in adultery, when the Pentateuch commanded her to be stoned to death?

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Thats easy, its because the bible is full of cherry-picking and contradictions. In one place Jesus is telling people to follow gods law, in others he changes them. In one gospel he says there is no grounds for divorce, in another , its only for adultery. All 4 gospels have many contradictions that are easy to see if you look.

The bottom line is , he condemned the Jews for not stoning their children and later he forgives the woman for the law that God himself made up. Now Gods laws are not good enough and we need new ones. The whole thing is one big confusing mess. Then Paul comes along and then...... O brother!

Lets just ask Joseph Smith what it all means!

 

[Autodidact]

I believe all children should be indoctrinated with the truth.

Could you just answer the question? Do you realize how utterly rude it is to evade them as is your habit? It's fatiguing and annoying and makes a great witness for Christianity robbing a person of common courtesy.

 

[Danmac]

just curious
what's your take on Matthew 16:28 "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
coming from heaven right?
was that about the 2nd coming?

And some of them did live to see him going into his kingdom.....
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

 

[Danmac]

Thats easy, its because the bible is full of cherry-picking and contradictions. In one place Jesus is telling people to follow gods law, in others he changes them. In one gospel he says there is no grounds for divorce, in another , its only for adultery. All 4 gospels have many contradictions that are easy to see if you look.

The bottom line is , he condemned the Jews for not stoning their children and later he forgives the woman for the law that God himself made up. Now Gods laws are not good enough and we need new ones. The whole thing is one big confusing mess. Then Paul comes along and then...... O brother!

Lets just ask Joseph Smith what it all means!

Isaiah 6:9 ¶ And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

 

[jml03]

ANYWAY,
: It was a joke. I was sorta trying to be Ironic sinse some anti-agnostics were trying to label us, and explain Misty's life to her. I don't know what you believe in. The title of Christianity means very very little. I only know that i do not know for sure, and in the bottom of everyone's heart... i know they understand this truth too, because they are not infallible.

I got into a debate with my mother after I posted this, because I brought a bit of the conversation up to her. She believes much different than I do. I like to look into things, on occasion a bit more than she. I brought up my feelings on the blasphemy issue. Imo, God is God, the father. Jesus is the Son, however He was there at creation and has always been there. I feel like the Holy Spirit is like the Presence of each of them at the same time. I know it's a little off the chart, but this is how I believe. So, for me, when Peter denied knowing Jesus, he was essentially denying the Holy Spirit, for it dwells in us. Even tho the Holy Spirit had not shown up in the Upper Room, It has always been here.

Now, when I said you can't blaspheme until you've felt God. What I mean is, that wonderful warm feeling in your chest that almost feels like butterflies in your heart....that's being touched by the Holy Spirit. When I am in prayer, or even just talking with someone about God, JEsus, or just what They have done for me, I feel it. I have been in prayer, felt God's presence and literally felt the peace flood thru my body - in such a way that I don't even try to do anything--I don't try to keep my balance, I don't try to keep my hands raised in praise, I don't even try to think about what I'm praying to God about. Now, after feeling that, KNOWING that, should I deny that God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit is real....that, to me, is blasphemy. Thus, my point when Peter, who knew Jesus-witnessed His miracles-felt His presence, when he denied knowing Him... that, too, was blasphemy. But, as I said before, do I believe Peter is in Hell? no.

 

[Autodidact]

You cannot relate to the depth of God's mercy. IMO

So you consider condemning someone to eternal torture just for worshiping a different God to be merciful? Because to me it seems the exact opposite, as well as unjust.

 

[Autodidact]

Jesus said, "And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (John 10:4-5)

According to this, if you were a true sheep you would not hear the voice of strangers. It is possible that you became angry at God and backslid as a result. But, according to the Bible, it is not possible to deny God if His Spirit is living in you.

2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

It is probable that you were never born again. IMO

So you're calling someone you've never met a liar, just because his life story doesn't fit your personal myth-system? Is that your idea of morality?

 

[Autodidact]

This kind of truth......

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

How do you know that's truth?

 

[Autodidact]

We are designed to relate to what is true. People that respond to truth, bear witness to it that it is true.

Amen.

 

[Autodidact]

On what grounds do you base your lack of belief?

Evidence. That stuff you hate. I also think it's immoral to assert the truth of anything for which there is inadequate evidence.

 

[Autodidact]

Pr 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.


I am a follower of Jesus. Show me one instance in the New Testament where Jesus instructed His followers to do such things.

Wait, I'm confused. Isn't Jesus God?

 

[Autodidact]

The kind that leads to peace of mind.

Why? I thought you were advocating for truth. Would you advocate for a lie that leads to peace of mind? Is peace of mind an indicia of truth? I would advocate for the kind of truth that is based on the evidence.

 

[jml03]

Wait, I'm confused. Isn't Jesus God?

Not to me. But, I'm a little different than other believers.

 

[Danmac]

I got into a debate with my mother after I posted this, because I brought a bit of the conversation up to her. She believes much different than I do. I like to look into things, on occasion a bit more than she. I brought up my feelings on the blasphemy issue. Imo, God is God, the father. Jesus is the Son, however He was there at creation and has always been there. I feel like the Holy Spirit is like the Presence of each of them at the same time. I know it's a little off the chart, but this is how I believe. So, for me, when Peter denied knowing Jesus, he was essentially denying the Holy Spirit, for it dwells in us. Even tho the Holy Spirit had not shown up in the Upper Room, It has always been here.

Now, when I said you can't blaspheme until you've felt God. What I mean is, that wonderful warm feeling in your chest that almost feels like butterflies in your heart....that's being touched by the Holy Spirit. When I am in prayer, or even just talking with someone about God, JEsus, or just what They have done for me, I feel it. I have been in prayer, felt God's presence and literally felt the peace flood thru my body - in such a way that I don't even try to do anything--I don't try to keep my balance, I don't try to keep my hands raised in praise, I don't even try to think about what I'm praying to God about. Now, after feeling that, KNOWING that, should I deny that God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit is real....that, to me, is blasphemy. Thus, my point when Peter, who knew Jesus-witnessed His miracles-felt His presence, when he denied knowing Him... that, too, was blasphemy. But, as I said before, do I believe Peter is in Hell? no.

I believe that the Holy Ghost, which is the comforter, is that part of God that woos people to Christ. I believe that the Holy Ghost calls every individual to repent, but many reject His wooing. This I believe is the blasphemy that cannot be forgiven. That is the rejection of the calling of God to receive Christ. Peter on the other hand allowed himself to be handcuffed by fear, and consequently He denied knowing the Lord. This was not a rejection of the call of God, but a moment of human failure.

 

[jml03]

I believe that the Holy Ghost, which is the comforter, is that part of god that woos people to Christ. I believe that the Holy Ghost calls every indivdual to repent, but many reject His wooing. This I believe is the blasphemy that cannot be forgiven. That is the rejection of the calling of God to receive Christ. Peter on the other hand allowed himself to be handcuffed by fear, and consequently He denied knowing the Lord. This was not a rejection of the call of God, but a moment of human failure.

I disagree, but we each have our own personal relationship with God.

 

[Autodidact]

Not to me. But, I'm a little different than other believers.

Well, our friend Danmac says the Bible speaks for itself. If he's right, then one of you is deliberately distorting it.

 

[Danmac]

Why? I thought you were advocating for truth. Would you advocate for a lie that leads to peace of mind? Is peace of mind an indicia of truth? I would advocate for the kind of truth that is based on the evidence.

Opiates bring momentary peace of mind. The problem is they come with a great price. And i am not talking monetarily. That is the reason that kind of a peace of mind is not truth.

 

[Autodidact]

Opiates bring momentary peace of mind. The problem is they come with a great price. And i am not talking monetarily. That is the reason that kind of a peace of mind is not truth.

And here you just got done saying that you are for the kind of truth that brings peace of mind.

 

[Autodidact]

I disagree, but we each have our own personal relationship with God.

Do you also disagree with Danmac that the Bible speaks for itself?