From 'born again' to agnostic

[Danmac]

so according to your idol scripture: no true scottsman can deny himself?

That would be a hearty amen !!!

BTW: sheep are not people. and actually what the idol passage insinuates is that if you are a true sheeplike person, you would runaway from everything that wasn't familiar...which many christians do, so A+ on that.

Yes, Jesus likened us to sheep. Sheep are dumb by the way. That is why we need a Shepherd.

there is that word again "backsliding." Is it not possible that you are backsliding from Agnostic Truth?

I believe the term is frontsliding.

 

[Luminous]

Christ in me is sinless. Therefore I am without sin for judgment sake. IBO

1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But I am still human an very capable of committing things that constitute sin.

1Jo 1:8 ¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

your thoughts essentially suggest that the whole idol passage on some that claim to work for Christ is meaningless, and that you can practice iniquity all you want. what a very honorable way to follow idol scripture :sarcastic. are you using Johns passage to embrase your pitiful believes on your inability to have any resposibility for your actions, or on your beleive that you are perfect? Because clearly John was talking about the Messiah, not about pitiful people who claim to be "born of God". Romans? really? It clearly says that you should be as if though you were not living when it comes to sin, Yet alive when it comes to God and Jesus. So clearly it also means that you should strive to be sinless as God showed that you could do. So what if you are human? what was the point of your tritheistic God in manifesting itself (i mean, himself) as a human? 1st of Jo? ok, clearly that is not cannonical . Clearly Jo tells us that there is no point to try very hard to be sinless, just believe and be sorry. amazing.

 

[Luminous]

This kind of truth......

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

Clearly, Jesus of Nazareth confessed his Agnosticism.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

We are designed to relate to what is true. People that respond to truth, bear witness to it that it is true.

I see no truth in your mystical texts. I see wisdom, but no truth.

However i see truth in my mystical texts (and a lot less murder, war, torture rape). I bet you don't.

So once again i ask, who's truth shall we indoctrinate our kids in.

-Q

 

[Luminous]

We are designed to relate to what is true. People that respond to truth, bear witness to it that it is true.

No Truer words were ever written. :clap

However, we are also designed to be inperfect... and in it is in this inperfection that we can delude ourselfs to believe we know what is true.

 

[Danmac]

your thoughts essentially suggest that the whole idol passage on some that claim to work for Christ is meaningless, and that you can practice iniquity all you want. what a very honorable way to follow idol scripture :sarcastic.

I am bent towards sin. I do not embrace it. I strive to be perfect, though the mark is unreachable.

are you using Johns passage to embrase your pitiful believes on your inability to have any resposibility for your actions, or on your beleive that you are perfect?

Everyone of us will give an account to God. Repentance has no room for a lack of integrity. We are commanded to repent.

Because clearly John was talking about the Messiah, not about pitiful people who claim to be "born of God".

And I am now to allow an unbeliever to give me proper interpretation of scripture. That is like asking a blind man for directions.

Romans? really? It clearly says that you should be as if though you were not living when it comes to sin, Yet alive when it comes to God and Jesus. So clearly it also means that you should strive to be sinless as God showed that you could do.

Since you are giving your supposed proper interpretation of scripture, aren't you in essence validating it?

So what if you are human? what was the point of your tritheistic God in manifesting itself (i mean, himself) as a human?

To become a human sacrifice for sin.

1st of Jo? ok, clearly that is not cannonical . Clearly Jo tells us that there is no point to try very hard to be sinless, just believe and be sorry. amazing.

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

 

[Danmac]

No Truer words were ever written. :clap

However, we are also designed to be inperfect... and in it is in this inperfection that we can delude ourselfs to believe we know what is true.

On what grounds do you base your lack of belief?

 

[Luminous]

That would be a hearty amen !!!

amen for logical fallacy? :areyoucra

Yes, Jesus likened us to sheep. Sheep are dumb by the way. That is why we need a Shepherd.

No, that is why YOU need a Shepherd. Jesus came for people like you, people that would go in a murder and rape spree if not for their religion. I am like an ape...homo sapien sapien. I need no idols, in which ever form they come.

I believe the term is frontsliding.

It would be, if only choas and paradox was infront of you.

 

[Luminous]

On what grounds do you base your lack of belief?

On the grounds that i have yet to be convinced. :slap:

 

[Danmac]

I see no truth in your mystical texts. I see wisdom, but no truth.

Pr 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

However i see truth in my mystical texts (and a lot less murder, war, torture rape). I bet you don't.

I am a follower of Jesus. Show me one instance in the New Testament where Jesus instructed His followers to do such things.

So once again i ask, who's truth shall we indoctrinate our kids in.

-Q

The kind that leads to peace of mind.

 

[TEXASBULL]

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I am a follower of Jesus. Show me one instance in the New Testament where Jesus instructed His followers to do such things.


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Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses their father or mother shall die"

 

[Luminous]

I am bent towards sin. I do not embrace it. I strive to be perfect, though the mark is unreachable.

Odd, i feel as if though I am bent AGAINST wrong doing, but i guess that would be a personal thing. Its just that doing bad feels bad and doing good feels good. again, there is no strive...there is only do and do not do.

Everyone of us will give an account to God. Repentance has no room for a lack of integrity. We are commanded to repent.

What would be the point in that? I thought that being "born of God" as you were means that you are sinless, isn't that what your interpretation of idol scripture says?

And I am now to allow an unbeliever to give me proper interpretation of scripture. That is like asking a blind man for directions.

Than what is the point of throwing idol scripture at me? that's like throwing a map at a blind man, all it really serves to do is insult.

Since you are giving your supposed proper interpretation of scripture, aren't you in essence validating it?

No. Do I validate the reality of Wonderland passages when I interpret them? It's called reading, it would be hard to understand without interpretation.

To become a human sacrifice for sin.

what sacrafise? I thought Jesus of Nazareth is and was Immortal. And I thought Human sacrifises were specifically decryed by the Abrahamic God.

Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

:thud:: thanks for the paper wad again.
so, I think what this idol passage refers to is that its very hard for people to change, but you can always hope, which i do. I pray for your kind almost everyday.

 

[Danmac]

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses their father or mother shall die"

You are very misleading. That is deceitful. Jesus said, "10 For MOSES said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:".

Jesus was simply arguing that they did not observe the very law they claimed to enbrace.

 

[Luminous]

The kind that leads to peace of mind.

Agnosticism.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Pr 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Another pointless quote. Keep them coming.

i am a follower of Jesus. Show me one instance in the New Testament where Jesus instructed His followers to do such things.

Who gets his orders from god. You quote the bible. You can't just pick and choose the parts you like. Well you can but it will only expose your hypocrisy.

The kind that leads to peace of mind.

So you would indoctrinate them in all texts and let them choose which one brings them peace of mind?

-Q

 

[TEXASBULL]

You are very misleading. That is deceitful. Jesus said, "10 For MOSES said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:".

Jesus was simply arguing that they did not observe the very law they claimed to enbrace.

Did Jesus say he disagreed with this law? Why would he point it out if he did not want them to follow it? His point was for the Jews to get back to following gods laws , correct?

 

[Luminous]

You are very misleading. That is deceitful. Jesus said, "10 For MOSES said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:".

Jesus was simply arguing that they did not observe the very law they claimed to enbrace.

Yes, and he wanted to make sure that they did.
Just as pleanty of Atheists do for Christians today.
"I came here to uphold the law". If you claim it, its yours.

 

[Danmac]

Did Jesus say he disagreed with this law? Why would he point it out if he did not want them to follow it? His point was for the Jews to get back to following gods laws , correct?

Why then did Jesus pardon the woman caught in adultery, when the Pentateuch commanded her to be stoned to death?

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 

[Blackdog22]

Pr 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.


I am a follower of Jesus. Show me one instance in the New Testament where Jesus instructed His followers to do such things.



The kind that leads to peace of mind.

And ignore the Old Testament? Blasphemy! For
Matthew 5:17-20
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.


Hmm, so we don't have to focus on only the New Testament! You learned something new today.

Let us not forget that Jesus and God are one in the same. Does Gods mind differ from Jesus? If I can't quote God of the Old Testament and attribute his claims to Jesus then Jesus wasn't the son of God. The son would not rebel against the father unless the son was Satan himself.

You ignore blatant error in your scripture and it is troubling.

 

[Danmac]

And ignore the Old Testament? Blasphemy! For
Matthew 5:17-20
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Indeed
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,IT IS FINISHED : and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Hmm, so we don't have to focus on only the New Testament! You learned something new today.

Thanks for the education.

Let us not forget that Jesus and God are one in the same. Does Gods mind differ from Jesus?

It sure differed here.....

Luke 22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless NOT MY WILL, but, THINE be done.

If I can't quote God of the Old Testament and attribute his claims to Jesus then Jesus wasn't the son of God. The son would not rebel against the father unless the son was Satan himself.

The Son is a manifestation of the Father, bearing His more humble attributes. If you are talking of judgment, then you are speaking of the third part of the trinity.

You ignore blatant error in your scripture and it is troubling.

You say that it contains error. Is it therefore fixable?