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Very interesting facts Shivafan! Who are 'the eleven'?I think this appears to have become a "general purpose" Gaudiya Vaishnavism thread. I hope so, this means it is opportune to delve into all sorts of discussion under the theme of GVism including history, and then see how far one discussion lives or dies for the day or where it may led to next.
I think this is a thread of many GV discussions and one does not necessarily need to be a Gaudiya Vaishnav persona-living to chip in, some can have some reasonable scholarship on the matter no matter which branch of Hinduism, and certainly those who have had expedience with fellow GV's in the family of Hinduism can offer some ideas or perspective.
I would like to indirectly talk about Steve Jobs (the former Apple "founder", now dead) as a segue into bringing up a Gaudiya Vaishnav of sorts, the great Bhakta named Neem Karoli Baba, though this was only one of his names (Maharaji - no, not Guru Maharaji, Neeb Karori, Lakshmi Narayan Sharma, Lakshman Das, Handi Wallah Baba, and Tikonia Walla Baba, also known in Vrindavan as Chamatkari Baba).
When Steve Jobs was young, he would go to the ISKCON Temple (Hare Krishna) in Portland, Oregan (USA). Later in life, he didn't want much exposure to his involvrment with ISKCON later when he became the icon of Apple Computers.
But many Krishna devotees of ISKCON, some of whom left the "movement", recall Steve Jobs the "bhakta" during the 1960s and early 70s before the "great turmoil" of "the eleven" (gurus, GBC), which turmoil may have turned Jobs off in regards to ISKCON. But he wasn't just seen frequently at the Portland Temple, but others recall washing dishes with him to help clean up the Berkeley, California, Jagannath (ISKCON) Temple and at many other Hare Krishna venues.
By the time the troubles first started in ISKCON, Steve Jobs travelled to India in 1973 to meet Neem Karoli Baba, a great Bhakta practitioner of Bhakti Yoga who died in Vrindavan in September of 1973. Unfortunately the Baba died before Jobs got to Vrindavan, so Steve Jobs never personally met him. The Guru of Neem Karoli Baba was Lord Hanuman directly, who is still alive in the forests of India but on occasion shows up elsewhere.
This Baba had a teaching of bhakti yoga, in the spirit of service or SEVA, especially to others and where there is no greater offense than to offend the most humble devotee.
Some may not know that Steve Jobs was a cofounder of SEVA (yes, in the name of Baba's teachings of seva or service) the now famous Foundation that fights blindness in India, Nepal and elsewhere. And this all started BEFORE Apple.
Here is another trivia. Some have written about how the name Apple in Apple Computers came about. Even Jobs himself has created stories on that.
But some say the simple truth of the matter is, it came from the record label "Apple Records" as in the Beatles, but more particular in honor of George Harrison who was an ISKCON advocate who helped publish Prabhupad's books. Steve Jobs came in contact with Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead, and had a fondness with Harrison due to George's ties to ISKCON. Some say it was Bob Weir who first got Jobs interested in Harrison.
Though Steve Jobs never talked about these things to his tech types later in life, those involved in Hinduism in America say it is true. You can believe them, or believe Jobs was not so simply because he didn't talk about it too much later in life.
One thing though, it appears he didn't want to go back to India personally. Why? Some say it had to do with, one, never personally meeting with "Baba" - who died just before he arrived. As if, he failed for some reason or had some karma or sin such that he was denied.
And others say, his feelings became more fixed later with a sense of let down. Some say it had to do with what some claim involving Prabhupad's death. Some say Prabhupad was poisoned in his final days in Vrindavan. By someone or persons of what became "the eleven". They say Prabhupad himself said someone is poisoning him in Hindi, then he died. That rumors like that, turned something in Steve Jobs.
But the other part of this story is, Neem Karoli Baba. Some GV's may not know of him. They may find him an interesting soul. Who wandered here and there. Many paths often cross. Take Steve Jobs and the many who he crossed paths with. But he never crossed paths with that Baba. He missed him by just a moment in time. Well, at least on the physical level.
śrī-śacī-tanayam - ?? His mother's name was Padmavati. Balarama's mother was Rohini. Lakshman's mother was Sumitra and Shesha's mother was Kadru.
What does that symbol behind Chaitanya's parents mean?That is Lord Nitai. Nitai's mother was Padmavati, but Lord Chaitanya's mother was Saci Devi, just like Krsna's mother was Yashoda and Balaram's was Rohini. The bengali devotees lovingly call her "aaii" meaning mother (for she is the mother of whole world). Below you can see the deities which were established in the house of Lord Gauranga Mahaprabhu. His father, Jagannatha Mishra is on the left.
It is not a symbol but a decoration done by lime, colored rice powder or even with flowers. It is known as 'alpona' (alpana) in Bengali, Mandana in Rajasthan, Rangoli in Hindi. Can be done on walls or floor. It is known by various other names in Kerala, Tamilnadu, etc. It is done on festivals or on social occasions (marriages, etc.). Some like to have this even normally but then the alpanas will be simpler. There are Rangoli competitions also. Swastikas are common in Rangolis/Alpanas. Normally people will side-step Rangolis/Alpanas on floor. (Alpana derives from Skt. Lepa - to smear)What does that symbol behind Chaitanya's parents mean?
Namaskaram For Nitai Dasa ji and Aupmanyav ji
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To the bazaar of Lord Chaitanya (Gaur Chand) and at the court of Lord Nityananda, the one who has undivided mind can only go, only he/she can go o’ brother. If you have double mind, you will fall into trap/water and will not be able to go to the shore. Only undivided mind can go. To the bazaar of Lord Chaitanya (Gaur Chand) and at the court of Lord Nityananda, the one who has undivided mind can only go, only he/she can go o’ brother. 4x10=40 sher (unit of weight) equals a “mon” (like 40 kg) (here “mon” is a double entendre. It also means the mind). Ah! Hori Bol, Hori Bol! (amen! Amen!). Even if there is a gram less the broker (here Lord Chaitanya and Lord Nityananda are considered as the Intermediaries of Lord Krishna). There is another doctor (physician) is waiting. Queen Sri Radharani (the eternal consort of Lord Krishna) who is the boatwoman in Vrindavan (Braj) to help cross the ocean of life. Only the one with undivided mind can go. To the bazaar of Lord Chaitanya (Gaur Chand) and at the court of Lord Nityananda, the one who has undivided mind can only go, only he/she can go o’ brother. Hori Bol! Hori Bol! Again a wood-cutter cannot discern diamond, and a bullock in the sugar mill does not get the taste of sugar. On the other hand, a gold smith can recognize gold, and takes gold after examining. To the bazaar of Lord Chaitanya (Gaur Chand) and at the court of Lord Nityananda, the one who has undivided mind can only go, only he/she can go o’ brother. Aha Hori Bol! Hori Bol! If someone does not know the manual process (the singer shows by hands-upward downward movements) of making a particular sweet out of molasses, how he will make that sweet? How the common people would know the formula of mellow (bhakti yoga) of the Crazy Bhoba (the writer/devotee of the song)? Victory /glory to Bhoba? Only the one with undivided mind can go. Only the one with undivided mind can go. To the bazaar of Lord Chaitanya (Gaur Chand) and at the court of Lord Nityananda, the one who has undivided mind can only go, only he/she can go o’ brother. O crazy one (the writer is telling to himself). If you have double mind, you will fall into trap/water and will not be able to go to the shore. Only undivided mind can go. If you have double mind he will fall into trap/water and will not be able to go to the shore. Only undivided mind can go. Only undivided mind can go. Joy Guru! Joy Guru! (Victory to the spiritual Master!).
Where is this confirmed? As well as Lakshmi's attraction to Sri Krishna?2) Lord Narayana has 60 transcendental qualities, while Sri Krsna has 64. Lakshmi herself is attracted to Sri Krsna to dance in rasa, but Radharani is only attracted Lord Krishna no-one else (not even Visnu). This is confirmed in Bhagavatam.
Where Bhagawtham mentions a gopi, they changed it into Radha. Jai Srimati Radharani.
http://bhagavata.org/canto10/chapter7.html