Gay vs God... 2 questions

[Beta]

What about those of us who don't want to produce or unable to?

I do not think there is a scripture to say God expects or compels anyone to physically re-produce Offspring. Man does have free choice.
But the problem lies ' in the spirit '.How do we regard God's rules ,regulations and commandments ? How do we respond to his Word ? What do we think of his requests ? Do we accept or reject him ?
It comes down to our general attitudes whether or not we are in tune with him or if we are at least ' prepared and willing' to hear him.

 

[TJ73]

I guess more of what I am trying to get at, is why Abrahamic believers take homosexuality more seriously than other sins that seem to bear the same weight. I never hear about protests with signs that say "god hates people who pay interest" or "god hates people that have sex outside of marriage". I have never heard of someone having their life threatened or getting beaten or losing their job or their family rejecting them for these reasons. I would love to hear from a Christian or Muslim why gayness seems more intolerable than other sins of similar weight.
And also why they think or if they have some scriptural evidence for why it is prohibited.

 

[Beta]

TJ73 ,
Any other sin apart from homosexuality does not directly interfere with God's plan of creating.
The purpose of creating man is to lift us to a higher level with God.
Homosexual acts fly in the face of that purpose since it would - if encouraged or allowed eventually diminish Creation not only physically but also spiritually. Homosexual concepts are negative and therefore contradict God and intended future expansion.

 

[TJ73]

TJ73 ,
Any other sin apart from homosexuality does not directly interfere with God's plan of creating.
The purpose of creating man is to lift us to a higher level with God.
Homosexual acts fly in the face of that purpose since it would - if encouraged or allowed eventually diminish Creation not only physically but also spiritually. Homosexual concepts are negative and therefore contradict God and intended future expansion.

Then what about someone like me that has been surgically sterilized? Lots of people do that. I wasn't a Muslim at the time. I was a Christian and no one ever said boo about it. I thought it was the right thing to do as I was raising 3 children alone and hadn't found any sucess in relationships.
I have never seen anyone threatening or hurting anyone that's been "fixed". I've never seen a sign " god hates the sterilized"... You see what I mean?

 

[BeeBooga]

I believe it's because it goes against the way God had supposedly set the natural order of things. Man with Woman, Woman with Man.

 

[TJ73]

I believe it's because it goes against the way God had supposedly set the natural order of things. Man with Woman, Woman with Man.

I can even go with that. but i can't understand the picking out of this particular sin for special adverse treatment.

 

[BeeBooga]

I can even go with that. but i can't understand the picking out of this particular sin for special adverse treatment.

I do not appreciate it either, my family says things like 'Wow, their gay? They should be shot.' And so calmly, too. I hold my anger and release it on a peice of paper, but I could never think this way.

 

[TJ73]

I do not appreciate it either, my family says things like 'Wow, their gay? They should be shot.' And so calmly, too. I hold my anger and release it on a peice of paper, but I could never think this way.

me either. I can appreciate the struggle and can understand the conflict a believeing gay may have, because I have those conflicts with the thing I do or don;t do that are part of my practice of religion. but i can't understand singling out certain things and not others. If someone is so righteous then they should start persecuting themselves first.

 

[BeeBooga]

me either. I can appreciate the struggle and can understand the conflict a believeing gay may have, because I have those conflicts with the thing I do or don;t do that are part of my practice of religion. but i can't understand singling out certain things and not others. If someone is so righteous then they should start persecuting themselves first.

In Religion it is said that persecution and judging should be left for God, so I never understand these things.

 

[blue8]

Can anyone give an idea (since it is not clearly stated in any scripture) why God has made this prohibition?
Could it be because of the command to have children?

I would say that there were practical reasons behind that command. Every community is dependable on the number of people, so if people don´t reproduce community die. Considering circumstances at that time and palce, all that difficulties, wars, unpredictable nature, hard life...reproducing was the question of survival.

 

[Caladan]

I guess more of what I am trying to get at, is why Abrahamic believers take homosexuality more seriously than other sins that seem to bear the same weight. I never hear about protests with signs that say "god hates people who pay interest" or "god hates people that have sex outside of marriage". I have never heard of someone having their life threatened or getting beaten or losing their job or their family rejecting them for these reasons. I would love to hear from a Christian or Muslim why gayness seems more intolerable than other sins of similar weight.
And also why they think or if they have some scriptural evidence for why it is prohibited.

I think you are simply misinformed on the subject TJ.
Many Islamic nations have hundreds and sometimes thousands of cases on constructive regular basis of killing inside the family over issues of sexual activity outside marriage. you could say that in this case it is the homosexuals which get a break.

 

[Beta]

Then what about someone like me that has been surgically sterilized? Lots of people do that. I wasn't a Muslim at the time. I was a Christian and no one ever said boo about it. I thought it was the right thing to do as I was raising 3 children alone and hadn't found any sucess in relationships.
I have never seen anyone threatening or hurting anyone that's been "fixed". I've never seen a sign " god hates the sterilized"... You see what I mean?

I do see what you mean .
But I believe you are taking God's Word out of context in your case.
God does not hate you or anyone who does not want / can not have children. God looks on our mental attitude of how we re-act to what he wants or says. Do we see HIS side of Creation and how he can not support anything/anyone in direct (determined) opposition to his creative plans.

 

[Autodidact]

If you get to know and learn about God's nature you should know that his plan all along in a relationship should be between a husband and a wife and no other way. In the very beginning God created woman from man instead of any other way. In Genesis 2:24 it goes on to say "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Many verses in the new testament go on to talk about the relationship between a husband and a wife. God is creator of the world and as his creations we should accept what his purpose his and what he wants us to do.

So celibacy is bad, apparently?

So we should do whatever God commands, no attempt at analysis and no questions asked? I guess polygamy is good then, but divorce is prohibited. And of course slavery is great. Eating shrimp not quite as clear. btw, sex with children is fine, apparently, as long as you're not related to them.

Does that all sound good to you?

 

[Autodidact]

I guess more of what I am trying to get at, is why Abrahamic believers take homosexuality more seriously than other sins that seem to bear the same weight. I never hear about protests with signs that say "god hates people who pay interest" or "god hates people that have sex outside of marriage". I have never heard of someone having their life threatened or getting beaten or losing their job or their family rejecting them for these reasons. I would love to hear from a Christian or Muslim why gayness seems more intolerable than other sins of similar weight.
And also why they think or if they have some scriptural evidence for why it is prohibited.

Let alone, "God hates divorce," which He clearly does. Here in the states you never see proposed amendments to state laws to prohibit second marriages or limit divorce to adultery, although that is clearly what the NT calls for. Could it be because about 30% of Evangelical Christians are divorced? Just sayin'.

 

[Autodidact]

TJ73 ,
Any other sin apart from homosexuality does not directly interfere with God's plan of creating.
The purpose of creating man is to lift us to a higher level with God.
Homosexual acts fly in the face of that purpose since it would - if encouraged or allowed eventually diminish Creation not only physically but also spiritually. Homosexual concepts are negative and therefore contradict God and intended future expansion.

In what way are homosexual concepts negative, specifically?

 

[Autodidact]

I do see what you mean .
But I believe you are taking God's Word out of context in your case.
God does not hate you or anyone who does not want / can not have children. God looks on our mental attitude of how we re-act to what he wants or says. Do we see HIS side of Creation and how he can not support anything/anyone in direct (determined) opposition to his creative plans.

You're begging the question. What are His creative plans, and how do you know? Why does gay sex violate His creative plan, but getting sterilized doesn't?

 

[Beta]

In what way are homosexual concepts negative, specifically?

Please see # 19.
Homosexual tendencies are negative to reproducing and this is in direct contradiction to what God is engaged in creating.

 

[Autodidact]

Please see # 19.
Homosexual tendencies are negative to reproducing and this is in direct contradiction to what God is engaged in creating.

This means to take on the characteristics and qualities of God and we know that homosexual acts produce the opposite of creating. The whole purpose of human life becomes lost and wasted when God can not take it to higher levels. There would be no point of promoting those in whom is lacking the spirit of 'Creating' since their inclinations rest in physical lust and personal satisfaction.

Could you explain what "homosexual acts produce the opposite of creating" means? To me, the opposite of creating is destroying. Gay love doesn't destroy anything. So what do you mean? Are you asserting that gay partners don't love each other?

 

[Beta]

You're begging the question. What are His creative plans, and how do you know? Why does gay sex violate His creative plan, but getting sterilized doesn't?

We can know God's plan by studying His Word and consequent enlightenment.
Of course all or any human action can be detrimental to even our own survival or future existence and is therefore relevant to ourselves. It is not necessarily just for God's own benefit.
But when we get things wrong we can repent and change . No such opportunity if we are never born in the first place !

 

[Autodidact]

We can know God's plan by studying His Word and consequent enlightenment.
Of course all or any human action can be detrimental to even our own survival or future existence and is therefore relevant to ourselves. It is not necessarily just for God's own benefit.
But when we get things wrong we can repent and change . No such opportunity if we are never born in the first place !

WHAT ARE GOD'S CREATIVE PLANS, according to you? In what way does being gay violate it? In what way are do gay people further the opposite of creation? Do gay people not love each other?