Gay vs God... 2 questions

[Beta]

Well Beta this is just me speaking for myself, but I'll never take your opinion seriously again until you take me up on that debate, and I'll discourage others from doing so. You seem to have a very narrow mind.

You are entitled to your opinion my friend as I am to mine

 

[Beta]

Can I ask why you would care if someone is a homosexual anyways? They are who they are, its no fault of their own. That is they way they were born. Just as we as heterosexuals are.

How does someone being gay affect your life. It is no ones business but there own. Does someone who is gay bash you because you are not?

It makes no difference to me who or what people are, none whatever.
But questions were asked on this thread which I answered from a biblical point. Scripture is not my personal opinion but that of God.
Why do people come on religious forums if they don't like God or what he says ??? It's not as if people don't know his rules and commandments

 

[Autodidact]

Are you serious ?
You don't know that a male/female relationship usually produces children but a homosexual one produces nothing and will/would eventually die out and reduce the human numbers ? That surely is destroying rather than creating ???

Actually, it doesn't destroy anything. The only thing it does is fail to reproduce. Is it your position that failing to reproduce is sinful?

'Love' has nothing to do with man's eternal future as it is a purely human emotion for this present life. Sexual expression is not godly (eternal) love.

Wow, that's so sad. What religion are you?

 

[Autodidact]

I have tried to answer your questions honestly , perhaps if you devoted a little more time to it rather than skim over the surface ???
I know what I'm saying is not popular but if you ask questions you have to expect answers ???
God's plan is to create sons and daughters in his own image and likeness and it was not completed back in Gen.1v26-28. It is still going on today. But it starts out with the human creation which would not exist if left to those with homosexual tendencies.
I hate being so blunt since it is considered 'gay-bashing' which it is not.:no:

O.K., so what God wants of each and every person is to reproduce? Jesus, for example, failed to reproduce, so violated God's plan?

Are you concerned that if we let gay people be gay, everyone will want to be gay? Because, apparently, being gay is so obviously superior in every way that everyone would choose it if they had the chance?

 

[cmsweet]

So an infertile heterosexual couple would be destructive?? Some of these arguments are collapsing in on themselves.

 

[Autodidact]

(if it makes any difference - I'm a 'she' )
I have already said - those who for some physical reason can not are in a different situation as long as they otherwise respect God.

But celibacy is strictly prohibited, correct?

 

[Autodidact]

This whole question about homosexuality is not just about human reproduction. That is what it starts with but the main issue is spiritual. Being 'hung-up' on human emotions and making them priority is ultimately going to be mankinds downfall.
In order to be saved (from eternal death) God must come first in our life. Sadly that is not normal to man until he first suffers greatly.

What does that have to do with homosexuality? Are you against marriage and human relationships of all kinds, or only same-sex ones for some reason?

 

[Autodidact]

Possibly friend , I really wouldn't know.
But many are born with disadvantages,handicaps and defects they have to battle and fight against all their lives. Most do it on a physical level not knowing they can go to God for help.

Does God help with those things? It appears to me that doctors are more effective than God in treating physical disabilities.

 

[Autodidact]

Possibly friend , I really wouldn't know.
But many are born with disadvantages,handicaps and defects they have to battle and fight against all their lives. Most do it on a physical level not knowing they can go to God for help.

It makes no difference to me who or what people are, none whatever.
But questions were asked on this thread which I answered from a biblical point. Scripture is not my personal opinion but that of God.
Why do people come on religious forums if they don't like God or what he says ??? It's not as if people don't know his rules and commandments

So you actually have no idea what the purpose of this forum is? May I suggest checking the mission statement? Just a suggestion.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

I do not have an automatic reaction to homosexuality. I have plenty of gay people in my life for years, friends, employees, relatives. I feel for their struggle since people can be so dam cruel.
I understand the prohibition of gay sex from a religious perspective. What I wonder is why.
Can anyone give an idea (since it is not clearly stated in any scripture) why God has made this prohibition?
Could it be because of the command to have children?
Why do you think so many people take the prohibition so far as to be cruel and even dangerous to gay people?

Homosexuality represents all that puritannical macho manliness opposes...
Homosexuals are not fit to be warriors*, they wont beget children, they are decadent dirty and impure because they seek to be like woman when God made them otherwise, they are not men they are a mockery of the image of Adam....amoral instruments of satan the sodomiser.

That kinda stuff...

Lucifer however doesnt give a **** what gender you are or which gender you prefer...thats entirely a physical human thing that no healthy minded God should aquire a deep interest in.


* The Sacred Band an ancient greek phalanax was exclusively gay and was said to be unroutable.

 

[waitasec]

So an infertile heterosexual couple would be destructive?? Some of these arguments are collapsing in on themselves.

indeed...

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Homosexuality represents all that puritannical macho manliness opposes...
Homosexuals are not fit to be warriors*, they wont beget children, they are decadent dirty and impure because they seek to be like woman when God made them otherwise, they are not men they are a mockery of the image of Adam....amoral instruments of satan the sodomiser.

That kinda stuff...

Lucifer however doesnt give a **** what gender you are or which gender you prefer...thats entirely a physical human thing that no healthy minded God should aquire a deep interest in.


* The Sacred Band an ancient greek phalanax was exclusively gay and was said to be unroutable.

I agree that homosexuality is a challenge to our society's perceptions of what a man should be. It challenges every notion of what Americans think of as manly, because homosexual men are often not those things. To me a lot of these so called "macho men" are the fakers, and they shouldn't expect us gays to be fake just because they are.

 

[painted wolf]

God seems to be pretty obsessed with male dangley bits.

How to properly snip them (yikes!)
How to properly use them (when, where and how)

Most of the laws deal with the male dangler.... heck in the Bible if a man looses it or his twins he can't be a part of the religion anymore. God only wants men with proper dangle.

It's very odd. (and obsessive)

wa:do

ps... most First Nations cultures had no issues with thinking of Gay men as "unmanly". You were judged by your deeds not your sexuality.

 

[Gaura Priya]

I agree that homosexuality is a challenge to our society's perceptions of what a man should be. It challenges every notion of what Americans think of as manly, because homosexual men are often not those things. To me a lot of these so called "macho men" are the fakers, and they shouldn't expect us gays to be fake just because they are.

There are alot of gay men who are not effeminate or whatever. I know a gay man who loves cop shows, loves guns, smokes, drinks beer while watching action movies, and is completely dominant. I would hardly call him a faker... that's who he is.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

There are alot of gay men who are not effeminate or whatever. I know a gay man who loves cop shows, loves guns, smokes, drinks beer while watching action movies, and is completely dominant. I would hardly call him a faker... that's who he is.

I wasn't inferring they were all fake, but a lot of them are. This is a social norm that society imposes on males. It's almost like an expectation, and if one doesn't conform to it they are put down.

I can't tell you how many times I've been called girly man, Josephine, etc. by these types.

 

[Gaura Priya]

I wasn't inferring they were all fake, but a lot of them are. This is a social norm that society imposes on males. It's almost like an expectation, and if one doesn't conform to it they are put down.

I can't tell you how many times I've been called girly man, Josephine, etc. by these types.

And my mother calls me "Kevino" and then "Kevina" once I begin acting the stereotypical effeminate gay Filipino.

There's a whole spectrum of behaviour out there when it comes to both men and women, homosexual or heterosexual. Given that I grind my teeth when I hear the term 'straight-acting,' there are men who are masculine by their natural right, and couldn't help themselves being societally 'manly.'

And it is such that I am attracted to! :hearts: What nurturing, caring and gentle gay, such as I, wouldn't fall for a nice smoking, beer-drinking, uncouth, meat-eating, action-movie-watching, lazy, dirty and messy, protective, young, handsome guy to serve? *teehee!*

Every girl likes a token bad boy who's a good man inside! ^__^

 

[Beta]

Actually, it doesn't destroy anything. The only thing it does is fail to reproduce. Is it your position that failing to reproduce is sinful?
Wow, that's so sad. What religion are you?

It destroys in the sense when something God establishes and man by his own will allows to disappear, not exist when we are told to replenish. I think it can be classed as not doing God's Will or deliberately (but perhaps not consciously) opposing him .That is sin 1Joh.3v4.
I do think 'love' is important and essential to human life but can also be destructive when mis-used.

 

[asketikos]

i think homosexuality -- and heterosexuality for that matter -- are seen as an evil, or a nuesance, in the spiritual world because they are concerned with matters of the flesh, they are earth-bound, they are centered around attraction, desire, and sex, they are centered around animalistic instincts, as well as self-gratifification and pleasure

if the mind is preoccupied with the body then it has no time to be preoccupied with the spirit, therefore all preoccupations with the world are sinful, and destructive to the soul

but some people are just fine limiting their spirit merely to the physical and temporal, and they have the free will to do so

 

[Beta]

Actually, it doesn't destroy anything. The only thing it does is fail to reproduce. Is it your position that failing to reproduce is sinful?
Wow, that's so sad. What religion are you?

It destroys when willfully not replenishing something that would otherwise not exist.
Humans are foundationally necessary for this particular plan God is working on. We can be part of it or not - our choice. Some will some won't , we are not compelled. So please feel free to do your own thing.
As a matter of fact 'love' is important in our life but can be destructive when selfishly mis-applied.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Beta and with overpopulation when does this assumed plan of god stop?