Gay vs God... 2 questions

[Autodidact]

Why is it that you have to ask religionists the same questions over and over to get an answer? Does anyone know? It makes talking to them so tedious.

 

[Beta]

Could you explain what "homosexual acts produce the opposite of creating" means? To me, the opposite of creating is destroying. Gay love doesn't destroy anything. So what do you mean? Are you asserting that gay partners don't love each other?

Are you serious ?
You don't know that a male/female relationship usually produces children but a homosexual one produces nothing and will/would eventually die out and reduce the human numbers ? That surely is destroying rather than creating ???
'Love' has nothing to do with man's eternal future as it is a purely human emotion for this present life. Sexual expression is not godly (eternal) love.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

All right patterns on earth bring understanding of spiritual truth. Male, female, seed, womb, conception, children. There is an order of purpose, prodution and progression. Right order brings Glory to our creator, because it reflects truth. Disorder brings confusion, and darkens the purpose of God in mankinds heart.
On another note God understands the wrong actions that have caused wrong order, but we can't jusifify the ends because of the means, we must be healed and restored.

And your religion claims to be "thinking Christian", LOL. You obviously haven't thought out homosexuality very well.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

As always there are plenty of views, opinions and interpretations from the human angle , it's only natural we try to understand God from our own perspective. Looking at scripture from another way just does not make sense to us.
Yet Isah.55v7-9 clearly says OUR thoughts and ways are not like HIS and we must forsake OUR wicked ways.
Seems man is not able to for a number of reasons.
But if we are as fair-minded as we THINK we are could we not consider God's reasons for making rules and regulations ?
Why the prohibition of homosexual acts ?
The God of the Bible is also CREATOR - His purpose is ' to bring into Existence '. If we believe scripture we see he also created man - not just to have an earthly existence for a lifetime but to take us further ' into an Eternal Existence as HE is Himself '.
This means to take on the characteristics and qualities of God and we know that homosexual acts produce the opposite of creating. The whole purpose of human life becomes lost and wasted when God can not take it to higher levels. There would be no point of promoting those in whom is lacking the spirit of 'Creating' since their inclinations rest in physical lust and personal satisfaction.
(please forgive me for being blunt but it's hard to squeeze such an important subject into a few sentences.) :yes:

Infertile people can't reproduce either Beta. Are they unnatural? Come on man!

I should warn everyone before they take Beta's opinions too seriously. He is a complete Bible literalist and refuses to consider any other angles. If you wish to take that kind of position seriously, feel free.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

TJ73 ,
Any other sin apart from homosexuality does not directly interfere with God's plan of creating.
The purpose of creating man is to lift us to a higher level with God.
Homosexual acts fly in the face of that purpose since it would - if encouraged or allowed eventually diminish Creation not only physically but also spiritually. Homosexual concepts are negative and therefore contradict God and intended future expansion.

Infertile people can't reproduce either. FAIL.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Are you serious ?
You don't know that a male/female relationship usually produces children but a homosexual one produces nothing and will/would eventually die out and reduce the human numbers ? That surely is destroying rather than creating ???
'Love' has nothing to do with man's eternal future as it is a purely human emotion for this present life. Sexual expression is not godly (eternal) love.

Well last I checked Beta we have an over-population problem, so humanity dying out isn't an issue. As for sexual expression not being godly love, homosexuality is about love, and not just sex.

 

[gerobbins]

Please see # 19.
Homosexual tendencies are negative to reproducing and this is in direct contradiction to what God is engaged in creating.

Can I ask why you would care if someone is a homosexual anyways? They are who they are, its no fault of their own. That is they way they were born. Just as we as heterosexuals are.

How does someone being gay affect your life. It is no ones business but there own. Does someone who is gay bash you because you are not?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Can I ask why you would care if someone is a homosexual anyways? They are who they are, its no fault of their own. That is they way they were born. Just as we as heterosexuals are.

How does someone being gay affect your life. It is no ones business but there own. Does someone who is gay bash you because you are not?

Good luck getting him to admit that

 

[Gaura Priya]

They could use a couple of homos in China and India... Just sayin'...

 

[Beta]

WHAT ARE GOD'S CREATIVE PLANS, according to you? In what way does being gay violate it? In what way are do gay people further the opposite of creation? Do gay people not love each other?

I have tried to answer your questions honestly , perhaps if you devoted a little more time to it rather than skim over the surface ???
I know what I'm saying is not popular but if you ask questions you have to expect answers ???
God's plan is to create sons and daughters in his own image and likeness and it was not completed back in Gen.1v26-28. It is still going on today. But it starts out with the human creation which would not exist if left to those with homosexual tendencies.
I hate being so blunt since it is considered 'gay-bashing' which it is not.:no:

 

[gerobbins]

Good luck getting him to admit that

I just don't get it when some one has to bash gays. Why would they care?
If gays want to marry as well who cares? Its their right and it does not affect how I live my life and its really none of my business either.
what would anyone do if they found out their child was gay? Would you shun them? or Love them just the same?

As for anyone who does not think gays have the right to marry, here is a quote from Pierre Trudeau (from Prime Minister of Canada)

One of Trudeau’s most famous quotes had to do with homosexuality. He stated, “The State has no place in the bedrooms of the Nation.”
http://legend54.blogspot.com/2010/01/pierre-trudeau.html

 

[Beta]

Infertile people can't reproduce either Beta. Are they unnatural? Come on man!

I should warn everyone before they take Beta's opinions too seriously. He is a complete Bible literalist and refuses to consider any other angles. If you wish to take that kind of position seriously, feel free.

(if it makes any difference - I'm a 'she' )
I have already said - those who for some physical reason can not are in a different situation as long as they otherwise respect God.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

(if it makes any difference - I'm a 'she' )
I have already said - those who for some physical reason can not are in a different situation as long as they otherwise respect God.

Oh I see, and you don't consider homosexuality to be something someone is born with?

 

[gerobbins]

(if it makes any difference - I'm a 'she' )
I have already said - those who for some physical reason can not are in a different situation as long as they otherwise respect God.

I respect God wholeheartly, however I respect the right of others to live the lifestyle they choose as long as that lifestyle does not case harm to others.

 

[Beta]

Well last I checked Beta we have an over-population problem, so humanity dying out isn't an issue. As for sexual expression not being godly love, homosexuality is about love, and not just sex.

This whole question about homosexuality is not just about human reproduction. That is what it starts with but the main issue is spiritual. Being 'hung-up' on human emotions and making them priority is ultimately going to be mankinds downfall.
In order to be saved (from eternal death) God must come first in our life. Sadly that is not normal to man until he first suffers greatly.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

This whole question about homosexuality is not just about human reproduction. That is what it starts with but the main issue is spiritual. Being 'hung-up' on human emotions and making them priority is ultimately going to be mankinds downfall.
In order to be saved (from eternal death) God must come first in our life. Sadly that is not normal to man until he first suffers greatly.

You don't call heterosexuality being hung up on human emotions though

 

[Beta]

I respect God wholeheartly, however I respect the right of others to live the lifestyle they choose as long as that lifestyle does not case harm to others.

It is indeed difficult to get the balance right between man and God. No matter how much we love our neighbour GOD makes the rules and expects man to follow them.
Yes I would say that just about anything is allowed on earth but that is where self-determination also ends. GOD rules in heaven - if that's where we want to go.

 

[Beta]

You don't call heterosexuality being hung up on human emotions though

Oh , it can be.
Man can be ' hung-up ' on anything - anything at all and miss his future potential for a bowl of Lentil soup or a morsel of meat , like Esau.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well Beta this is just me speaking for myself, but I'll never take your opinion seriously again until you take me up on that debate, and I'll discourage others from doing so. You seem to have a very narrow mind.

 

[Beta]

Oh I see, and you don't consider homosexuality to be something someone is born with?

Possibly friend , I really wouldn't know.
But many are born with disadvantages,handicaps and defects they have to battle and fight against all their lives. Most do it on a physical level not knowing they can go to God for help.