Gender specific events

[Draka]

I sense a controversy brewing.
I guess it's because men are the stronger gender and women feel insecure. Added to that that women want power and money now in west (under the guise of equality) and men who like to look after their own interests (their partner) and an overreaction from chauvinists women means, as per normal, we have to lift women up in order to put them on the same level as men. Thankfully, we now have such a false world in the modern day era that we can do just that.


Paranoid chauvinism.

Oh gods...not this drivel again.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Especially when there are many men with breasts far larger than many women's.

Near where I live there is a naturist beach, in the summer it is populated with fat middle-aged men who do a good impression of beached seals ( though the seals can move a lot quicker ).

 

[Robert.Evans]

Oh gods...not this drivel again.

Now come on, be nice.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Near where I live there is a naturist beach,

There would be

in the summer it is populated with fat middle-aged men who do a good impression of beached seals ( though the seals can move a lot quicker ).

And your the guy selling the ice cream, right!

 

[Quintessence]

you dont think it has a grounding in gods? what gods do you believe in?

Everything is a god, even a social construct or ideology. Doesn't mean I can't want that social construct to die a horrible death in human cultures. Basically, I want people judging other people and prescribing roles based on superficialities to die a horrible death in general, wether it's sexism, racism, or whatever.

Social construct? How so? The differences are obvious. Though it is amazing what you can achieve with a pair of trousers.

As I am using the terms:

Gender = social construct that prescribes "appropriate" behaviors, personalities, and roles for each sex (aka, BS sexist stereotypes of the exact sort that were a problem for this school like "boys = math")
Sex = biological physiology and genetics of an organism pertaining to its reproductive strategy

 

[Robert.Evans]

Everything is a god, even a social construct or ideology. Doesn't mean I can't want that social construct to die a horrible death in human cultures. Basically, I want people judging other people and prescribing roles based on superficialities to die a horrible death in general, wether it's sexism, racism, or whatever.



As I am using the terms:

Gender = social construct that prescribes "appropriate" behaviors, personalities, and roles for each sex (aka, BS sexist stereotypes of the exact sort that were a problem for this school like "boys = math")
Sex = biological physiology and genetics of an organism pertaining to its reproductive strategy

Males are generally more mechanically minded and more likely to do something. That is the way it is, even if not as much as it used to be. I wonder what will happen when we succesfully turn women into men. Who will look after the kids? I suppose the government will be doing it then.

 

[Akivah]

Couldn't they just have a family dance? A parent/child dance/party? They could have organized a combination party where there was both dancing and perhaps some types of partner games as well. The whole family could attend and boys and girls and mothers and fathers could all do what they wanted.

They could have done lots of things. One of the points is that they specifically had a father-daughter dance and nobody complained. The first event purposefully excluded boys that might have wanted to dance.

 

[Quintessence]

Males are generally more mechanically minded and more likely to do something. That is the way it is, even if not as much as it used to be. I wonder what will happen when we succesfully turn women into men. Who will look after the kids? I suppose the government will be doing it then.

Yeah. I've only got one response to this.



Well, I technically have some others. They're considerably less polite. Attitudes like this are exactly why I want this social construct to die a horrible, horrible death.

 

[Robert.Evans]

They could have done lots of things. One of the points is that they specifically had a father-daughter dance and nobody complained. The first event purposefully excluded boys that might have wanted to dance.

Double standards that's why. One must feel insecure while the other doesn't. Noticeable now though as women gain more power, men are beginning to notice that the pot is just as black as the kettle-

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yeah. I've only got one response to this.



Well, I technically have some others. They're considerably less polite. Attitudes like this are exactly why I want this social construct to die a horrible, horrible death.

Your attitude is why I wish your's would. The hypocrisy in the OP STINKS!!!

 

[Draka]

These arguments amuse me. "Men are more mechanical", "turn women into men", "men are stronger", "who will take care of the children", blah blah blah. First let me just address that last part. Why can't men take care of their children? By putting child rearing entirely upon women you pretty much say that men are incompetent as fathers and are incapable imbeciles when it comes to raising their own children. Quite the sexist thing to say against both genders.

Why I find all this so funny..I am a SAHM right now. By choice. In my past I have been an Avionics Tech in the Navy, an industrial electrician and mechanic in a factory, a machine operator in a production plant, and construction worker in the Seabees. With all that I have also had babies, breastfed, been a SAHM, and I have a weakness for bath stuff and lotions that all match. I can be "girly" at the same time I'm talking about how to fix a car. I can take a super bubbly bubble bath with candles burning after I get done weight lifting.

Women can do many things and still be women. Doing jobs that are considered "male dominated" doesn't make women more "manly" just as men working in more "female dominated" fields aren't more "womanly". Does a man being a nurse mean he is somehow "less" of a man? No. He's still a man. Just as a woman doing any job is still a woman.

Stop boxing people into ridiculous boxes that simply don't fit and are mislabeled.

 

[columbus]

Males are generally more mechanically minded and more likely to do something.

This will probably remain true as long as girls are taught to go to dances and boys to go to science fairs.
Tom

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I can not, for the life of me, imagine a father daughter dance or a mother son event of either sort.
The idea is totally bizarre.
I am sure any school suggesting such a thing here, would be laughed all the way to the asylum.

Gender is not an issue, however age group is, and what child wants their parents around when they are with their friends.

 

[Father Heathen]

Hold both events, but allow any combination of parent/child to attend either one. Done.

 

[dust1n]

I can not, for the life of me, imagine a father daughter dance or a mother son event of either sort.
The idea is totally bizarre.
I am sure any school suggesting such a thing here, would be laughed all the way to the asylum.

That's what I was thinking. I'd just never even heard of such a thing.

 

[Draka]

That's what I was thinking. I'd just never even heard of such a thing.

Daddy-daughter dances have been around for a long time actually. It's usually considered a way for fathers to bond with their daughters, treat them like little ladies, and basically for little girls to have their dads all to themselves for a while. Given that many fathers may work long hours out of the home, may spend more time playing with sons, it's just a way to foster a relationship and give some sweet memories to both.

 

[dust1n]

Daddy-daughter dances have been around for a long time actually. It's usually considered a way for fathers to bond with their daughters, treat them like little ladies, and basically for little girls to have their dads all to themselves for a while. Given that many fathers may work long hours out of the home, may spend more time playing with sons, it's just a way to foster a relationship and give some sweet memories to both.

I mean, I get the supposed intentions. It's just so specific of a thing to have an event for, I guess. And not that I have a daughter, or would make a great parent at all, cause I wouldn't, but I'm not sure I'd participate.

 

[Deidre]

I am all for women being able to go topless. It is insane that we have the hang up about women's breasts/nipples that we do in society. They are not genitals. They are breasts. If men can show theirs there is no reason women can't show ours. Especially when there are many men with breasts far larger than many women's.

lol

 

[SomeRandom]

Last month, the PTA for a public middle school had a father-daughter sweetheart dance. It was a huge success. The PTA decided they needed a similar event for the boys in the school, so they wouldn’t feel left out. They reasoned that the boys wouldn’t be interested in a dance, so they decided on a mother-son science & math event. This event generated a storm of controversy from people for various reasons. Some said that the event presumed that girls aren’t interested in science & math, some said a dance event for girls and science event for boys enforced traditional stereotypes, and others said it wasn’t fair for the boys to have their own separate event in which the girls were excluded.

The thing that seems like a double standard to me is that no one protested about the initial father-daughter dance or said that it wasn’t fair to the boys.

Why do you think no one said anything about the first event?

Should public schools be allowed to have any gender specific events?

Whilst I agree that they should have held both events open to any pairing to participate or not participate. Can I just point out that the charge that the school thinks girls wouldn't be interested in math/science is not entirely true? I mean mothers are typically women after all and they were the ones in the math/science event.

 

[Draka]

Whilst I agree that they should have held both events open to any pairing to participate or not participate. Can I just point out that the charge that the school thinks girls wouldn't be interested in math/science is not entirely true? I mean mothers are typically women after all and they were the ones in the math/science event.

There are all kinds of STEM events around my area throughout the year and each one has girls at it. 4-H puts them on all the time and it is co-ed and the local college and John Deere put on events and always invite Girl Scouts. Also,...I believe I make an excellent case for girls being interested in STEM subjects.