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Gender specific events

Draka

Wonder Woman
legs lifting was not asked for. ive also known many other women at the gym who lifted alot @ the the leg lifting machine but that weigth is not really at issue. i dont think i could do the 330lbs but with enough training i can imagine myself doing something of that nature. although i believe youre bsing me anyway. 330lbs, a 16 year old teenager? yeah... im more curious what you can accomplish at the bench press or biceps dumbbell lifting. thats the point a woman has to work hard while a man doesnt. when a man works hard he outperforms the women, even those who work as hard as the man.
You know, you believe what you want. You always do, no matter how ridiculous. I did rep that weight at 16, don't even remember my max, and no, I just don't remember bench. As for dumbbells I think I just kept it simple and used 20-25lbs usually for reps to just sculpt. It really isn't a competition, but you seem to have to believe it is to maintain your idea of male superiority. So like I said, believe what you want, you will anyway.
 

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
You know, you believe what you want. You always do, no matter how ridiculous. I did rep that weight at 16, don't even remember my max, and no, I just don't remember bench. As for dumbbells I think I just kept it simple and used 20-25lbs usually for reps to just sculpt. It really isn't a competition, but you seem to have to believe it is to maintain your idea of male superiority. So like I said, believe what you want, you will anyway.
Its just that of all the women i met there are 0 of them as you try to discribe. If there even were 1% that would be not worth mentioning and therefore my points stand strong in face of your criticisms. Sure i am not denying that there may be women like you. but you have to understand that youre a laughably tiny minorty almost not worth the mention. 330lbs? 16 year old female? how much did you weigh yourself at that age and what is your height? okay if youre like 2 meters tall and weigh around 120kg then i would not even dispute this at all or question you. but if you were 1.60 m tall and weighed 60kg then youre just a joker.
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
this thread is supposed to be about gender specific events but in this day and age when people can change their gender and sexual orientayion is it even reasonable to have an event that is limited to one sex? What about people who have changed their sex. Should they go by their original sex or the sex they prefer to go by?
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Should public schools be allowed to have any gender specific events?

They shouldn't have any events at all, children go to school to learn, not have fun, they should have lots of boring physical education to tire them out and be made to learn latin. And when they get home they should go straight to bed after a glass of milk and a cookie. So there, bah humbug. :p
 
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Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Last month, the PTA for a public middle school had a father-daughter sweetheart dance. It was a huge success. The PTA decided they needed a similar event for the boys in the school, so they wouldn’t feel left out. They reasoned that the boys wouldn’t be interested in a dance, so they decided on a mother-son science & math event. This event generated a storm of controversy from people for various reasons. Some said that the event presumed that girls aren’t interested in science & math, some said a dance event for girls and science event for boys enforced traditional stereotypes, and others said it wasn’t fair for the boys to have their own separate event in which the girls were excluded.

The thing that seems like a double standard to me is that no one protested about the initial father-daughter dance or said that it wasn’t fair to the boys.
The problem wasn't that a father-daughter dance event or a mother-son science event was held. It's controversial because the one was held up as a counter to the other. If they had made no comparison between the events, there would be no suggestiveness and no problem.

Why do you think no one said anything about the first event?
Because by itself it was uncontroversial.

Should public schools be allowed to have any gender specific events?
Yes. Events that involve parents in their children's roles as students are always a good thing.
 

Draka

Wonder Woman
Its just that of all the women i met there are 0 of them as you try to discribe. If there even were 1% that would be not worth mentioning and therefore my points stand strong in face of your criticisms. Sure i am not denying that there may be women like you. but you have to understand that youre a laughably tiny minorty almost not worth the mention. 330lbs? 16 year old female? how much did you weigh yourself at that age and what is your height? okay if youre like 2 meters tall and weigh around 120kg then i would not even dispute this at all or question you. but if you were 1.60 m tall and weighed 60kg then youre just a joker.
At that age I was 1.6 m and about 65kg. Truth. Whether you believe it or not. Just because you don't know anyone personally does not mean women like me do not exist. I was also the only woman in my boot camp company that could do tricep (diamond) push ups and could out push most men in my brother company in regular push ups and a few in triceps. I prided myself in how I was built. I really wish I could remember the names of some of the guys I use to lift with in high school and get them in here to tell you themselves, or some of the Marines I arm wrestled (though some were quite embarrassed they were beat by a "female squid"), but all I have is my word here. Take it or not. Doesn't really matter does it?
 

Princeps Eugenius

Active Member
At that age I was 1.6 m and about 65kg. Truth. Whether you believe it or not. Just because you don't know anyone personally does not mean women like me do not exist. I was also the only woman in my boot camp company that could do tricep (diamond) push ups and could out push most men in my brother company in regular push ups and a few in triceps. I prided myself in how I was built. I really wish I could remember the names of some of the guys I use to lift with in high school and get them in here to tell you themselves, or some of the Marines I arm wrestled (though some were quite embarrassed they were beat by a "female squid"), but all I have is my word here. Take it or not. Doesn't really matter does it?
Now that i actually think of it: Arent the leg press weights always ridiculously high? I think there is a record for like 1000pounds/500kgs? I dont remember much because i never did the leg press regularly. i think you actually meant the one where you lay on your back and press the weights upward with your legs, right? if so i think that people who did those were always training with 100kg or so. i was more the type who used to jog and do the biceps, triceps, squatz, benchpress and pullups. anything besides that wasnt done seriously but i believe i tried out every machine they had. it has been a long time now since ive been there, more than 5 year for sure, so i cant remember leg press weights or any other training weigth except bench-press, because some of our training-buddies kind of had a respect for us(me and my brother) for doing 100kg. i think i even did 110 or 120kg but that was a one time thing. the weird part was that we both didnt need any prior training for starting with big numbers on our weights. i believe we start with 80kg right away and worked ourselves up to 100kg in just 2 or so weeks. our gym is expensive as hell though - had to quit it.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
These "daddy-daughter dances" reinforce that view of the father-daughter relationship. It infantilizes the daughter and both sexualizes the father-daughter relationship and promotes a disturbing power dynamic.

Given that you're not the only one with this opinion, it's odd that the school didn't get any protests to this dance.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
There's nothing wrong with a Daddy-daughter dance, to my mind. Nothing at all. But I probably wouldn't attend one unless my daughters dragged me there, and I wouldn't think of it as a date. Dunno why. I'll have to think about it.

Ah, that will all change when your little cutie begs for you to go. This sort of dance never occurred to me before I had kids. But when my daughter's school had one and my daughter begged for me to take her, how could I say no? It wasn't lurid and incestuous. It was sweet and loving.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Thank you Honest Joe for your honest answers to the questions I asked.

A dance is entertainment, science and maths are core subjects. Maybe people thought that it doesn’t really matter if children don’t take an interest in formal dance specifically where it does matter if they don’t take an interest in maths and science.

Also, the history and tradition of father-daughter dances could have put anyone who objected in fear of aggressive reactions to any complaints and people may not have considered the inconsistency until the new gender specific event brought it to the fore.

Well, since the mothers were there, the boys event was intended to be for entertainment, not instruction. But your second answer is good. It was probably the "new" event that generated the outrage. Father-daughter dances have a long tradition in my area.

I’m not sure about “not allowed” but I don’t think it’s really a good thing, especially where the gender specification covers parents as well as students. That said, I doubt it’d be the end of the world if they continued the father-daughter dance tradition and left it at that, though they’d open themselves to potential objections that could be difficult to address.

Yeah, I suppose gender specific events will disappear. I agree with an earlier poster that said they should have a dance period. And let whichever kids and parents come as want to dance.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
this thread is supposed to be about gender specific events but in this day and age when people can change their gender and sexual orientayion is it even reasonable to have an event that is limited to one sex? What about people who have changed their sex. Should they go by their original sex or the sex they prefer to go by?

Well, the school didn't ask people to drop their drawers at the door for an organ inspection. So I'm sure each person presented themselves as they wanted.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
The problem wasn't that a father-daughter dance event or a mother-son science event was held. It's controversial because the one was held up as a counter to the other. If they had made no comparison between the events, there would be no suggestiveness and no problem.

Because by itself it was uncontroversial.

But why do you think the dance was uncontroversial? It 1) excluded boys and their mothers from the dance and 2) presumed that only girls want to dance.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
But why do you think the dance was uncontroversial? It 1) excluded boys and their mothers from the dance and 2) presumed that only girls want to dance.
It wouldn't have been a very good father-daughter dance if it included sons and mothers.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Ah, that will all change when your little cutie begs for you to go. This sort of dance never occurred to me before I had kids. But when my daughter's school had one and my daughter begged for me to take her, how could I say no? It wasn't lurid and incestuous. It was sweet and loving.

I think I'm safe, but only because they don't appear to be a thing here (Australia). You're right, if she wanted me to go, I'd go. *nods*
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
UPDATE: Despite the outcry, the school went ahead with the event as planned. The only difference is that they issued a statement saying anyone would be allowed to attend. They aren't going to turn away girls that want to attend.

I say, good for them!
 
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