Genesis 1:26

[lostwanderingsoul]

What I wrote.


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My Answer to that.



I didn't say that there weren't different aspects. You somehow read that into the comments, even though it isn't there.

Jesus being the 'pater', Shepherd, for example, doesn't mean that Jesus is the same aspsct as JeHoVaH, it means that Jesus is 'our father', since He is 'our God'.

Well my Heavenly Father is not Jesus. Jesus is the Son of the Father, a separate being.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well my Heavenly Father is not Jesus. Jesus is the Son of the Father, a separate being.

Right, so why are you constantly basing everything around Jesus, calling Him God, so forth.

It's just random.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Right, so why are you constantly basing everything around Jesus, calling Him God, so forth.

It's just random.

If you are John Doe and you have a wife Jane Doe you are both Doe but two different people. If the Father is God and Jesus is God then God is like a last name. They are both God but two different people.

 

[Desert Snake]

If that was your theology, great, however it contradicts
John 1:1-12
Genesis 1:26
By your own arguments,
Then Jesus is God.
Genesis 1:26
You aren't using the words, to match your own argument.

If Jesus is the word, then Genesis 1:26
Means you're calling Him God, he's the creator, so forth, called God, by your own argument.

So, you thusly need to specify which person you're talking.

 

[Desert Snake]

It goes by belief, and how you are reading the names and words, in other words.


Notice that you not going to have an easy time explaining verses, that use the name God, however.
Or just entirely interpretation, or guessing.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

If that was your theology, great, however it contradicts
John 1:1-12
Genesis 1:26
By your own arguments.

Then Jesus is God.
Genesis 1:26
You aren't using the words, to match your own argument.

If Jesus is the word, then Genesis 1:26
Means you're calling Him God, he's the creator, so forth, called God, by your own argument.

So, you thusly need to specify which person you're talking about, since you are saying, Jesus isn't your God, by default.

Your configuration would be this:
God, Abba, the father='God'[ though occasionally not translated that way
Jesus, Yahweh, the word, the son[Lord

I do not know how to make it any plainer. God is not a single person but a family. That family contains the Word ( or Jesus or Michael, or what ever name you want to call him) and the Father ( or Jehovah or what ever name you want to call him) Jesus is in the God "family" and the Father is in the God "family. Satan blinds many people so that they cannot see rhis simple truth.

 

[Desert Snake]

I do not know how to make it any plainer. God is not a single person but a family.

You're actually convincing me that your belief system can't work, Scripturally. It's the big 'mystery' that is more of an annoyance.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

You're actually convincing me that your belief system can't work, Scripturally. It's the big 'mystery' that is more of an annoyance.

I am not sure that any belief system "works". The Word was with God and the Word God can only mean two individuals. The real problem is in the translation of the word "God". It probably should say the Word was with the Father and they were God. The only way the word "with" works is if there is more than one. Sorry you do not see it.

 

[Desert Snake]

I am not sure that any belief system "works". The Word was with God and the Word God can only mean two individuals. The real problem is in the translation of the word "God". It probably should say the Word was with the Father and they were God. The only way the word "with" works is if there is more than one.

No, it just says 'God'.

And that could mean , angels, like in Genesis 1:26. Jesus talking to angels.

 

[dfnj]

So my question is: why does "God" refer to himself in plural? (Let us create...)

I did some research, and the Trinity isn't even mentioned in the Bible (at least not as "Trinity", there are hints of it). Why would a "God" that claims to be only God refer to what looks like others like him (as if he was one of many; "our likeness")?

*I'm an atheist (just in case)

Here's a really good discussion on the meaning of the trinity:

 

[Muffled]

So my question is: why does "God" refer to himself in plural? (Let us create...)

I did some research, and the Trinity isn't even mentioned in the Bible (at least not as "Trinity", there are hints of it). Why would a "God" that claims to be only God refer to what looks like others like him (as if he was one of many; "our likeness")?

*I'm an atheist (just in case)

I believe it could be the same as with Adam. A creation in cooperation with the gods. We don't necessarily have to be the first people in the Universe.

 

[Muffled]

The Bible sats that the Word was with God and the Word was God. There were two "persons" in existence for all time. The Father and the Word and the two together made up God. Later the Word became flesh and was called Jesus. So there is no trinity but there is a Father and a Son who together are called God.

I believe that is totally illogical. If I say this rock is a stone, I have not said that I have two items but have differently described the same item.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

No, it just says 'God'.

And that could mean , angels, like in Genesis 1:26. Jesus talking to angels.

Thank you, but that is not what it says.You are so sure you are right that you do not even consider other possibilities.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I believe that is totally illogical. If I say this rock is a stone, I have not said that I have two items but have differently described the same item.

But if you say person "A" is WITH person "B" you are talking about two people. The Word was WITH God. Two persons but together they make one God.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So my question is: why does "God" refer to himself in plural? (Let us create...)

I did some research, and the Trinity isn't even mentioned in the Bible (at least not as "Trinity", there are hints of it). Why would a "God" that claims to be only God refer to what looks like others like him (as if he was one of many; "our likeness")?

*I'm an atheist (just in case)

God is talking to the angels.

 

[Muffled]

But if you say person "A" is WITH person "B" you are talking about two people. The Word was WITH God. Two persons but together they make one God.

John 1:1 ......and the Word was God

I believe it would be like saying my thoughts are with my mind. Of course they are but there is only one mind with thoughts. The thoughts are not a different entity but are characteristic of the entity.

 

[Muffled]

God is talking to the angels.

I believe that is speculation because there is no mention of angels or of anyone else for that matter. So no matter how one looks at it the identity of those in concert with God is unknown.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe that is speculation because there is no mention of angels or of anyone else for that matter. So no matter how one looks at it the identity of those in concert with God is unknown.

Who else would it be? God is Echad, one , so he is not talking to himself. I don’t think he is talking to the animals. That leaves the angels

 

[TrueBeliever37]

The answer is to be found in the cross-references r 8:30,John 1:3,Col 1:16.
These texts show that God's firstborn creation was alongside the creator during the creation period and was referred to as the Master worker.
Thus the phrase "let us" was not a "plural of Majesty" but rather was the creator talking to the one through whom all things came into existence, his firstborn.

What do you do about the scripture in Isaiah 44:24 where YHWH said he made all things, and stretched out the heavens alone, and spread abroad the earth by himself?

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Original question. Why does God refer to himself as "us" in Genesis 1:26?
Answer - God is not referring to himself. Why assume he is when no scripture says that? He obviously is addressing another.
The reason we can scripturally conclude that God is addressing his only begotten son, is because...
Colossians 1:15-17; Revelation 3:14; John 1:14-18; 3:16
1. God's first creation was his only begotten son, who is called the Logos (Word), and later, on earth, Jesus.
2. The only begotten son was alongside the father in bringing all things into existence - including all the angelic beings.

What do you do about the scripture in Isaiah 44:24 where YHWH said he made all things, and stretched out the heavens alone, and spread abroad the earth by himself?