The worlds? I don't know if I would put it that way, but otherwise, I agree. Where your translation must read "the worlds" is “the orders of things.” Greek tous ai·o′nas; Latin sae′cu·la; Hebrew ha·ʽoh·la·mim′.
Again, the word "world." The accurate translation would read heavens. (Bible Gateway) Even the KJV got that right. Other than that anomaly I would agree. Jehovah did this with Jesus as his master worker. (Proverbs 8:22-31)
Are we going to argue about every translation issue in the KJV or stick to the subject? I thought you were already familiar with the meaning of the word translated as "world". BTW, even the NWT translates this word as “world”.
As for Psalm 33:6, yes it is heaven and all the host of them (in other words everything in the universe!)
Proverbs 8. This is obviously a literary device used to personify wisdom as a female and it's not meant to be literally about Jesus Christ. In fact wisdom is not an angel either; but an attribute of God. Wisdom comes from God alone. (Job 28:20-28, Romans 16:27, 1 Timothy 1:17, Jude 1:25)
No. Jesus is the Word of Jehovah God. His representative, or spokesperson.
Which you affirm without a shred of evidence to support you. No wonder the new worldly wisdom translation changes the meaning of John 1:3 to mean something else. Because most translations agree that the Word(Jesus) makes all things that are created. That would mean it's impossible for the Word itself to be created.
That makes sense, but it begs the question, who is the second born? You say only born, and that's accurate, but the Bible says "firstborn" of creation. Big difference.
God hasn't had another born Son; except for those born anew into the body of Christ. That's it. So what exactly is your point? If Jesus is firstborn then He still has to be born doesn't He? So show us when Jesus is born other than of the virgin and born again from the dead through the resurrection.
That makes sense. Now your in line. You keep veering out of line, though.
So you want me to be “in line”? Like Isaiah 28:13 “line upon line”? That would be a bad idea. I don't want to be snared and taken ...
You have a scripture reference for that? 'Cause, nah.
The King James Version reads the latter portion of 2 Timothy 1:9 as “before the world began.” Various translations differ: YLT "Before the time of the ages" / NIV "before the beginning of time." / Douay-Rheims "before the times of the world." / ESV "before the ages began." What exactly does this term mean? Most people tend to think of it incorrectly as being before the creation of earth and man, meaning that all since then had been foreknown by God. That isn’t the case at all.
The Greek term katabole is used, and literally means a casting or laying down. For example, throwing down a seed. At Hebrews 11:11 the term is applied to Sarah's being given the gift to "conceive" at a late age.
At Luke 11:50-51 Jesus gives us insight on when this term, the founding of the world, began. From the blood of Abel. Abel, of course, was the offspring of Adam and Eve, so this time began when the first human couple conceived and began the race of mankind.
The word "world" is translated from the Greek kosmos, which has various meanings. 1. Humankind as a whole. 2. The structure of the human circumstances into which one is born and lives and 3. The masses of humankind apart from God's servants.
So, in a sense we are all living in the same period as Abel, though he towards it’s beginning and we towards it’s conclusion. The founding of the world, in this sense, then, would be the period of time after Adam’s sin but before Adam and Eve conceived. This is the period of time in which God began to allow for the possibility of salvation from the harmful effects of Adam’s sin. Genesis 3:15, the first prophecy of the Bible, is often overlooked as the beginning of all of this because it is often viewed as strictly a pronouncement upon Adam and Eve and the Serpent. When actually it is the first indication that there would be a division of, in a sense of the word, worlds. Those siding with Satan’s seed; his “offspring” so to speak and those of Jehovah’s seed from the woman, his earthly organization of faithful followers who were proved to be rightly disposed or ordained as a class of people from that moment until the conclusion of the world. Put simply, there would be those for Jehovah and those against.
The same would apply to Ephesians 1:4-5 and 2 Thessalonians 2:13 as with 2 Timothy 1:9
So, how do we even come to the conclusion the aions and the ages and beginning of time is vaguely "sometime" after Adam sinned but before they conceived? It's so arbitrary.
Besides which don't ignore how it says
before the foundation of the "kosmos".
And, Kosmos can mean world. Even the NWT translates it as world. World not meaning "planet" btw which is a modern concept. It's actually not a bad translation on the part of the KJV. You're bringing up other verses that use different Greek words such as chronos aionios. Which is the beginning of time.
So what is the "beginning of time". What is the laying down of the foundation of the ages? It's the 6 days of the creation along with the 7th day and that is clear from scriptures.
As we see in Hebrews 4:3-4 that God finished His works from the katabolē kosmos. So God finished His works by the 7th day and rested. This is proof the beginning of the ages is before Abel and all that. So Hebrews 4:3-4 should be all the proof you need.
The “foundation of the world” (KJV speak) is the 6 days of creation.
for we do enter into the rest -- we who did believe, as He said, `So I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest -- ;' and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world, for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh [day] thus: `And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;' (Hebrews 4:3-4 YLT)
Ahh, see? When someone uses terms like "incarnation" it doesn't sit well with me. It's an unnecessary religious term that insists upon itself as if to have some merit where there really isn't any. And anyway, how do you get all of that from Hebrews 13:8?
I clearly don’t get all that from Hebrews 13:8 alone. If you know the scriptures you should know what I am referring to without being told every little thing.
Did what he was already?! C'mon! No wonder atheist think we theists are nuts. That makes no sense.
For God all purposes and intentions are accomplished or else He wouldn't rest on the 7th day from
all His work. Even Paul claims in Hebrews 4:3-4 that God finished the works from the katabolē kosmos and then rested on the 7th day!
And what matters it what atheists think of spiritual things? This is between us; we are supposed to understand spiritual matters. Don’t you claim to be a teacher of the Word?
The only thing that will convince
atheists is the work of God within their hearts. Because the world by wisdom has not yet known the true God.
"For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe." (1 Corinthians 1:21)
And the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds.
