Genesis 2

[sincerly]

As previously mentioned, we generally don't use the word "proven, instead preferring to use words like "evidence", "it appears...", "observed", etc.

Hi Metis, I see the "terra firma" the "flora" and the Fauna"--- that is "evidence"--it is "observed", and it not only "appears", but is, in fact, REAL.

At this point, the BB has some pretty solid evidence to support it, but what is very far from clear is what may have caused it to happen, assuming that the evidence may well be correct. Even if we eventually pretty much know what may have caused it, this would highly unlikely end discussion as to whether there's a god or gods because the next question is what caused the cause?

And that question still has not been firmly established as the BB.

BTW, what caused "God", and how could anyone possibly know the answer to that question? I have to ask questions like this because you keep asking us for "proof", but then that works both ways, doesn't it. One doesn't get a free ride simply because they may believe in one set of scriptures.

Metis, You can not prove it(BB) as you have admitted.

That one set of Scriptures has been reproduced by/during many generations that there is/was a Creator GOD. Also, those Scriptures attest to That Creator GOD meeting with them(the recipients of those writings/and knowledge)---speaking to and giving the people physical tablets with instructions of that correct relation written upon it.
Those People recorded the numerous supernatural events performed by that Creator GOD in their behalf.

The Evidence I see is a true witness to the actual existence of that Creator GOD and a verification that the "BB" is as noted---a Theory of unbelieving mankind.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Hi Metis, I see the "terra firma" the "flora" and the Fauna"--- that is "evidence"--it is "observed", and it not only "appears", but is, in fact, REAL.



And that question still has not been firmly established as the BB.



Metis, You can not prove it(BB) as you have admitted.

That one set of Scriptures has been reproduced by/during many generations that there is/was a Creator GOD. Also, those Scriptures attest to That Creator GOD meeting with them(the recipients of those writings/and knowledge)---speaking to and giving the people physical tablets with instructions of that correct relation written upon it.
Those People recorded the numerous supernatural events performed by that Creator GOD in their behalf.

The Evidence I see is a true witness to the actual existence of that Creator GOD and a verification that the "BB" is as noted---a Theory of unbelieving mankind.

So do you believe that the tower of babel was going to reach the heavens were God resides?

 

[sincerly]

That has not answered my question.

Also when were Dinosaurs created and when did they become extinct?

Ask GOD---the Scriptures say land animals, and fowls of the air.

As far as "become extinct", Again, ask GOD.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Ask GOD---the Scriptures say land animals, and fowls of the air.

As far as "become extinct", Again, ask GOD.

So are the dating of Dinosaur bones wrong?

 

[sincerly]

So do you believe that the tower of babel was going to reach the heavens were God resides?

Have I posted such a belief? NO!

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Have I posted such a belief? NO!

I did not say you did. I was asking if you believed so. So you don't think the claim made by the people building the tower was accurate?

 

[sincerly]

So are the dating of Dinosaur bones wrong?

"Dating"? God will answer that as well.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

"Dating"? God will answer that as well.

So you think that scientist are wrong at the estimation of when Dinosaurs went extinct?

 

[sincerly]

I did not say you did. I was asking if you believed so. So you don't think the claim made by the people building the tower was accurate?

Prov.14:12, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Prov.14:12, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

uh-huh.

still doesn't answer the question but ok.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by FranklinMichaelV.3
I did not say you did. I was asking if you believed so. So you don't think the claim made by the people building the tower was accurate?

Originally Posted by sincerly
Prov.14:12, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

uh-huh.

still doesn't answer the question but ok.

Hi FM, This is going away from theTopic.
The Scriptural account of the event is Correct. Were they following the instructions of GOD--No.
This is the recorded scriptural events. Gen.11:1-9:
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."

What was GOD'S purpose for the inhabiting of the earth? Obedience of the people HE Created and them "replenishing the Earth."
Here they are 100 years past the Flood where their "imaginations were only evil continually and they were persisting with the disobedience of the purose GOD had outlined for the people.
Personally, it still hasn't changed.

 

[outhouse]

"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

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Which is complete and utter nonsense.



At no time in any Israelites existence nor his forefathers, was there only one language. This is a fact. :yes:

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech"

Which is complete and utter nonsense.

At no time in any Israelites existence nor his forefathers, was there only one language. This is a fact. :yes:

Hi outhouse, during the context of that verse which was 1756 years after Adam and Eve communicated with all their offspring and they with each other there was one language. Then Following the off-spring of Noah and his three sons they had one language and that was passed to their off-spring. Yes, the language spoken at the tower of Babel was singular until GOD did the changing. That is the scriptural recording. It is Your prerogative to believe "man's assumptions".
BTW, the Israelites "forefathers" came from those same two----Adam and Eve.

 

[outhouse]

Hi outhouse, during the context of that verse which was 1756 years after Adam and Eve communicated with all their offspring and they with each other there was one language. .

FACTUALLY INCORRECT


There is clear history over the last 6000 years of different languages all over the world. China and Australia


You sir are no one to discount the dating method used world wide with no dispute what so ever.

YOU have no credibility here to do so.

Then Following the off-spring of Noah and his three sons they had one language and that was passed to their off-spring.

Noah and his family do not exist outside mythology at this time. They have no historicity by anyone with any credibility.

Yes, the language spoken at the tower of Babel was singular until GOD did the changing.

Nonsense.


The world has had Homo Sapiens on it for over 200,000 years.

That is the scriptural recording.

Yes that is correct, BUT that is not accurate history.

It is Your prerogative to believe "man's assumptions".

YOU mean higher learning, education and knowledge.


These are not assumptions.

BTW, the Israelites "forefathers" came from those same two----Adam and Eve

Nonsense, you don't have a clue about the Ethnogenesis of Israelites. Your view of known credible history is just embarrassing.

 

[outhouse]

YOU can keep making these false assumptions over and over as you keep doing.

That however is not a debate as you bring no evidence or credibility.


You only supply faith and nothing more, and you will be called on it ever time you post nonsense or continued misinformation.


Back what you post.

 

[outhouse]

We need to get you brought up to speed here, the only problem is you refuse to communicate outside your literal interpretation, and you refuse to back your information, your basically refusing to debate.

You have this confused with a place for you to proselytize your personal view.


If you think there is no debate here then I suggest you go to the same faith section.


If you would like to learn about REAL history we are here to help and can supply weeks worth of credible reading, but if your mind is shut, please leave the debate section.

 

[greentwiga]

Which is complete and utter nonsense.

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At no time in any Israelites existence nor his forefathers, was there only one language. This is a fact. :yes:

If you interpret the word "earth" as region, a frequent translation for the word, then all we need is for the region of Sumer to have one language. At some point after the Jemdet Nasr period ended, the Sumerians seemed to have taken over the region. They then talk about the rustic Semites and others in the area. It is perfectly possible that for a short period after the flood (up to a century or two), there was only one language in the area until others began invading this empty land.

 

[outhouse]

If you interpret the word "earth" as region, a frequent translation for the word, .

Just making stuff up willy nilly ?


This has to do with how sincerly translates it, not your own personal version.

The bible is clear it is not regional, BUT they knew better then to read it literally, they understand allegory and mythology used to teach lessons and morals.

 

[sincerly]

FACTUALLY INCORRECT

There is clear history over the last 6000 years of different languages all over the world. China and Australia

You sir are no one to discount the dating method used world wide with no dispute what so ever.

YOU have no credibility here to do so.

Noah and his family do not exist outside mythology at this time. They have no historicity by anyone with any credibility.

Nonsense.

The world has had Homo Sapiens on it for over 200,000 years.

Yes that is correct, BUT that is not accurate history.

YOU mean higher learning, education and knowledge.

These are not assumptions.

Nonsense, you don't have a clue about the Ethnogenesis of Israelites. Your view of known credible history is just embarrassing.

Hi Outhouse, You have presented the Assumptions of mankind and have faith that they are truth.

I have faith that those writers who lived and witnessed the Conditions and situations accurately reflected/recorded in that Book called the Bible is TRUTH.

Today, it may be "nonsense" to you---And that is your choice.
Along with my faith and "ignorance", I have some "speculation tendencies as well".
Supposing you are correct---the Bible and all things concerning the earth were fabrications of mankind.
I live and I die. What have I lost?---Nothing. We both end up as dust.

Now, supposing those Scriptures are TRUE?
We both live and we both die. The Scriptures say there is something better awaiting for those who have Faith in its Gospel messages.
The "odds" are better for the Believer.

A disbelieving "Scholar", "superiorly educated " person will lose out and the Fifth grade "Believer" will be admitted into the "Kingdom of GOD" which those Scriptures tell about.

This is not proselyting any more than your continuing to promote the theory of evolution,etc.

 

[outhouse]

Hi Outhouse, You have presented the Assumptions of mankind and have faith that they are truth.

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False, you only believe the assumptions of mankind written thousands of years ago. All the while ignorant to not only how the book was written but modern science as well.

A disbelieving "Scholar", "superiorly educated " person will lose out and the Fifth grade "Believer" will be admitted into the "Kingdom of GOD" which those Scriptures tell about.

You are not the judge of who will or will not go into a such a place, if it did exist outside mythology. DO YOU UNDERSTAND, you are no judge here.

You don't have a clue who would or would not be accepted.