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Genesis 2
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gnostic
The Lost One
Details. There are details in plenty. You are just not interesting learning the details: you're either lazy or wilfully ignorant.sincerly said:
We tried to teach you what really evolution is about, but you not interested in the true nature of the subject. Instead you preferred to parrot creationist's biases and propaganda time again and time again.
How many times have we told you the difference between evolution and abiogenesis? You either refuse to learn or you just plain deceitful.
How many times have we told you that evolution is not about origin of life, but you keep repeating the same propaganda again and again?
If you bother to pick up a real biology textbook, and you REALLY bother to read and more importantly UNDERSTAND the subject, you would come to realise that evolution never talk about the origin of life.
Even though I disagree with thief on many subjects, but at the very least he bother to read and understand what is involved in natural selection.
Natural Selection, in the most basic definition is that successive generations must produce offspring when they find themselves in new environment that may differ to their original habitat, and they needed to physically adapt to their new environment. Otherwise, they may die out or become extinct in the next few generations.
Each descendant should be better adapted than their predecessors, physically.
I had provided an example with the tortoises off the Galápagos Islands.
They were not created from nothing. It is a myth and propaganda started by creationists.
You talk of fact, but you've never bother to learn from it.
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outhouse
Atheistically
Stop it.
This is embarrassing.
Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise.
Your failure to accept known FACTs are noted.
Your failure to comprehend simple english s noted.
Your failure to supply sources is noted.
Your failure to refute anything at all in this thread is also noted.
This is nothing more then a failure to comprehend simple english.
Many details have been considered fact, because we dont have "all" the details 100% does not mean an absense of details.
What do they call someone who purposely does not tell the truth to meet personal needs???
Thare are many FACTS that deal with evolution.
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth its geology and its environments has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Stop it.
This is embarrassing.
Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise.
Your failure to accept known FACTs are noted.
Your failure to comprehend simple english s noted.
Your failure to supply sources is noted.
Your failure to refute anything at all in this thread is also noted.
This is nothing more then a failure to comprehend simple english.
Many details have been considered fact, because we dont have "all" the details 100% does not mean an absense of details.
What do they call someone who purposely does not tell the truth to meet personal needs???
Thare are many FACTS that deal with evolution.
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth its geology and its environments has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
OH!...so you DON'T have all of the details!!!!!
So much for being credible.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
sincerly said:Speciation is NOT the same as evolution. The human being has multiple characteristics based upon the DNA of the parents, but that isn't a change into another "genus or family grouping."[/quote.
Stop it.
This is embarrassing.
Speciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Speciation is the evolutionary process by which new biological species arise.
Outhouse, as long as you persist in posting that which your source acknowledges as lacking in "details", I will continue to refute it. I realize that it is embarrassing to you to believe such.
"Wikipedia's article" {talk} is still debated in the sense of -----the central idea of "evolution means we all(plant and animal life) are distant cousins."
Yes, "speciation" by way of DNA does produce variations of the same "species". Even Jacob saw that distinction in the animals he shepherded(Gen.30)
The Facts are seen in the Scriptures which are being debated.
I have answered your claims in English.
Since it is the Biblical Scriptures which we are debating, I have produced the necessary material.
It isn't that they haven't been refuted, but that the answers are not to your liking or agreement.
sincerly said:
The simple English was well understood by me. It is you who fail to understand the IAP statement""""there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change"""".
It is those major "details" concerning the original source of the material and the source of that 'life" which was given that are lacking and GOD'S explanation fit those "facts' posted much better.
Still called theories----not facts, because the "details are lacking"---Assumed.
outhouse
Atheistically
YOU do not get to make up rules of how to interpret English
YOU have to follow the rules of the language
YOU do not get to twist the meaning to get YOUR personal desired results
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
YOU have to follow the rules of the language
YOU do not get to twist the meaning to get YOUR personal desired results
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Outhouse, The interpretation is guided by the understanding of the English words. That IAP statement was """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change""".
One doesn't need a PhD nor be a scholar to understand that they admit to "details" being unanswered----either of the minor or major variety.
When One cannot answer to where matter came from to produce the "big bang", then, that "theory" remains in the "theory" category and not processed into the established "fact" one.
The same is true of the theory that life spontaneously materialized of itself from inorganic matter. Scientist have searched long and hard for the source and have not found it in the laboratory---However, it is readily found and explained in those pages of the Scriptures(Word of GOD).
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outhouse
Atheistically
You are reading it out of context. It does not address where matter came from at all
YOU do not get to make up rules of how to interpret English
YOU have to follow the rules of the language
YOU do not get to twist the meaning to get YOUR personal desired results
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I see huge expanses of years...and the word 'soon' ...in the same post.
What was that about twisting words to support your own view?
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
Outhouse, The interpretation is guided by the understanding of the English words. That IAP statement was """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change""".
One doesn't need a PhD nor be a scholar to understand that they admit to "details" being unanswered----either of the minor or major variety.
When One cannot answer to where matter came from to produce the "big bang", then, that "theory" remains in the "theory" category and not processed into the established "fact" one.
The same is true of the theory that life spontaneously materialized of itself from 6++inorganic matter. Scientist have searched long and hard for the source and have not found it in the laboratory---However, it is readily found and explained in those pages of the Scriptures(Word of GOD).
Hi outhouse, the context was the "details" which they admit to NOT HAVING. Please explain how they can claim "fact" when "details are missing----still in the "theory" stage of investigation.?
I made no rules concerning the English language.
The article is clear---there is an admission of a lack of "details". That is following the rules of the English language.
Yes, they were educated enough to admit the lack of some very important "details", but continued with their "theory" for the existence.
Outhouse, The interpretation is guided by the understanding of the English words. That IAP statement was """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change""".
One doesn't need a PhD nor be a scholar to understand that they admit to "details" being unanswered----either of the minor or major variety.
When One cannot answer to where matter came from to produce the "big bang", then, that "theory" remains in the "theory" category and not processed into the established "fact" one.
The same is true of the theory that life spontaneously materialized of itself from 6++inorganic matter. Scientist have searched long and hard for the source and have not found it in the laboratory---However, it is readily found and explained in those pages of the Scriptures(Word of GOD).
Hi outhouse, the context was the "details" which they admit to NOT HAVING. Please explain how they can claim "fact" when "details are missing----still in the "theory" stage of investigation.?
I made no rules concerning the English language.
The article is clear---there is an admission of a lack of "details". That is following the rules of the English language.
Yes, they were educated enough to admit the lack of some very important "details", but continued with their "theory" for the existence.
outhouse
Atheistically
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Outhouse, why are you continuing to insist that what the IAP admits as lacking in "details" is Facts?
What they have(actually) proven is one thing----but the lack of the actual production of matter from nothing is another--and the proving that "life" spontaneously occurred are the admitted "details" and the very things which precludes the "theory" from being a "FACT".
outhouse
Atheistically
Please take a class on reading comprehension. Its obvious by your reply you do not understand what is being implied here as fact.
Not one aspect of the facts deals with any part of abiogenesis.
It is called "comprehension".
Before debating it is critical that you understand what this is.
Not one aspect of the facts deals with any part of abiogenesis.
It is called "comprehension".
Before debating it is critical that you understand what this is.
outhouse
Atheistically
I AM NOT.
Every single advanced country in the whole world! has collected their brightest minds and stated these as fact and ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT 100%
Its why you go to a doctor when your sick, because a priest will kill you because it is not his area.
Science is not YOUR area. Comprehension is not high on your list either.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
My wife has sued a doctor for his misdiagnosis.
Can't trust them edumagated white coats!
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Please take a class on reading comprehension. Its obvious by your reply you do not understand what is being implied here as fact.
Not one aspect of the facts deals with any part of abiogenesis.
It is called "comprehension".
Before debating it is critical that you understand what this is.
Outhouse,the dictionary definition for "abiogenesis" is (1)the formation of living organisms from inanimate substances (2)the supposed spontaneous generation of living organisms.
The IAP
admits that there are NO DETAILS concerning where that "inanimate substance originated.
Neither has there ever been any details of any "spontaneous generation of living organism"
It is apparent that your comprehension is the one in need of adjustment.
"Facts" aren't facts until the foundational truths are actually in place with the "details".
The IAP ,also, contained this statement,
.
Isn't that circuitous... one isn't "credible", unless he is of the same opinion?
Let's look at those given beliefs of the IAP.
(1)In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
The Scriptures give no time frame for the Heavens where HIS Governmental seat is to have existed. HE is from everlasting unto everlasting. There was no need for a prison house until Lucifer rebelled and the Adversary and his followers were casted out from the presence of GOD.
The earth's creation was approximately 6000 years ago. GOD spoke and it was so--"stood fast."
(2)Since its formation, the Earth its geology and its environments has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Since disobedience entered in the lives of mankind, GOD said there would be "changes". Yes, earthquakes, volcanoes, rain, floods, droughts, diseases, etc. have had drastic effects. All promised(Scripturally) to a disobedient Mankind.
(3)Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
The Scriptures are clear that a "slow transformation" was NOT needed. As was seen GOD spoke and it was performed. The plants like the Human Body were "fearfully and wonderfully made." They were made and took the CO2 in their living structures and released Oxygen to be incorporated into the structures of other organic cycles. God had all the details in place before HE Began the Creation Process.
(4)Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
The Scriptures show the "common primordial origin" to BE THE CREATOR GOD. Each Species reproduced "after its kind"---whether plant or animal. And the genetic code proves that the Scriptures are correct.
Even man's alteration of the genetic code only verifies GOD'S Scriptures---species begets species--NOT another Genus and species.
Yes, it is to man's good to "comprehend" God's Plan for Mankind over that which a fellow human Being has surmised into an unproven "theory" without very important "details.
outhouse
Atheistically
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.