Genesis 2

[outhouse]

I believe each and every word of Scripture was inspired by God, in the original.

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A unsubstantiated statement of faith and nothing more.

And if true, why did god make so many biblical mistakes???

I also see that the Bible allows for evolution, or any other theory that may replace it in the future.

Using faith and nothing more, one can throw out all historical elements no matter how credible, and one can read anything one wants.


The bible does not mention evolution in any way shape or form. It was unknown to these primitive people.

I am excited by how accurate the Bible is,

Then it is my suggestion you take a few college course on the bible and actually learn real history instead of trying to make it up as you go appealing to faith.

Thus Moses writing to Israelites of 1400 BC would word things differently than Paul writing to first century Christians, but both writing for clear understanding

Moses has no historicity at all. Credible scholars claim him as a literary creation.


There is no debate at all about the Canaanite origin of Israelites after 1200 BC.


Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated


Israel Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200 as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.[85]

Finkelstein states in the same book that at the time proposed by most scientists for the Exodus, Egypt was at the peak of its glory, with a series of fortresses guarding the borders and checkpoints watching the roads to Canaan. That means an exodus of the scale described in the Torah would have been impossible

 

[sincerly]

[quote =IPA statement] """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,...""" Their admission.[/quote]

A unsubstantiated statement of faith and nothing more.

And if true, why did god make so many biblical mistakes???

The same claim can be made for the necessary "unsubstantiated" "details" in that acknowledged statement by the IPA---- their unsubstantiated statement of faith and nothing more"

Using faith and nothing more, one can throw out all historical elements no matter how credible, and one can read anything one wants.

You have proved that to be the case in your abiding faith in the suppositions of those "sources" which can not/and admit such in that above statement by the IPA which you have repeatedly posted.

The bible does not mention evolution in any way shape or form. It was unknown to these primitive people.

Not so! From the very first created human beings(Adam and Eve), the plan of salvation was to evolve from a substitutional animal sacrifice to the Promised Messiah as that planned before the foundation of the Created world and all in it. That plan included the "creation of the heavens and eath anew.----Still future.

Then it is my suggestion you take a few college course on the bible and actually learn real history instead of trying to make it up as you go appealing to faith.

Outhouse, There are many Bible Colleges/Universities which teach the truths found in those Scriptures.
Because a College/University has a "course" in religions, doesn't mean that the teachings of that institution is teaching the Principles which were given by GOD for the Right relationship to GOD or Mankind.

Moses has no historicity at all. Credible scholars claim him as a literary creation.

There is no debate at all about the Canaanite origin of Israelites after 1200 BC.
Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated

Israel Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200 as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.[85]

Finkelstein states in the same book that at the time proposed by most scientists for the Exodus, Egypt was at the peak of its glory, with a series of fortresses guarding the borders and checkpoints watching the roads to Canaan. That means an exodus of the scale described in the Torah would have been impossible

Outhouse, The "Wikipedia" is NOT the last word/Authority on what is Truth because those "editors" at best are no better than the multiple opinionated members of these forums.

Why should I believe your analysis of Finkelstein's writings when you Disbelieve that which the GOD of Creation gave to HIS Prophets for the right relationship between GOD and HIS Created Beings? GOD Created the Real/Literal/ Actual/physical that I live in.
Your scholars/"credible sources" have only described a fascade and can not produce the "details" needed for the establishing the actual.(And that---Acknowledged above.)

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
There was no need for billions of years as those IAP scientist acknowledge--- """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,..."""

There is no need to accept mythology as historical reality, but many people blindly do so.

I have seen many examples of such.

There are many questions to gravity, yet the apple falls from the tree down to the ground 100% of the time. Evolution is exactly the same way, while we may not have all the answers, life has factually evolved for billions of years. This is something your religion cannot change.

Outhouse, gravity isn't in question in the Scriptures and presently there is no need for it the change in its properties.

Yes , there are examples of people refusing to see the historical reality of places, persons and things---by claiming them to be "mythical".
What I see is actual/factual/real and the simple explanation is as Scripturally declared-- GOD Created and reproducing "after its kind". It has not taken "billions of years" to arrive at what is viewed today.

 

[outhouse]

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[sincerly]

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

Outhouse, no matter how many times you post that statement and preface it with your opinion it will not change the admitted fact that """"there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change"""". Also, those "details" are the very thing which prevent their "unsubstantiated theories" from being the "claimed facts."
They can not prove the source for the Material for the "big bang---nor have they produced "life" from the raw elements. Readers can see that the dots are not connected nor the "experiments"/evidence completed. Therefore, not a Fact, but still a theory/supposition/figment of the imagination.

 

[outhouse]

there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change.

This is getting embarrassing.


We do not know everything about gravity either, but the apple falls down.


It is the same with evolution and it even states it, so I question your ability to COMPREHEND simple English

Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results

So what they are saying is nothing refutes the facts regarding evolution



There is nothing you have produced that refutes ANYTHING in any way shape or form, not even a single sentence


This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.


What about these evidence based FACTS?

 

[outhouse]

Its funny we have TV shows with the worlds most brilliant minds backing evolution.


Cosmos! is a great example with Neil Degrasse Tyson.



Your view is outlawed from public schools in science classes[


No where on TV do they promote mythology over science.

 

[Thief]

A unsubstantiated statement of faith and nothing more.

And if true, why did god make so many biblical mistakes???







Using faith and nothing more, one can throw out all historical elements no matter how credible, and one can read anything one wants.


The bible does not mention evolution in any way shape or form. It was unknown to these primitive people.







Then it is my suggestion you take a few college course on the bible and actually learn real history instead of trying to make it up as you go appealing to faith.





Moses has no historicity at all. Credible scholars claim him as a literary creation.


There is no debate at all about the Canaanite origin of Israelites after 1200 BC.


Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated


Israel Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200 as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.[85]

Finkelstein states in the same book that at the time proposed by most scientists for the Exodus, Egypt was at the peak of its glory, with a series of fortresses guarding the borders and checkpoints watching the roads to Canaan. That means an exodus of the scale described in the Torah would have been impossible

Just can't walk without that crutch....can you?

Genesis isn't about history.
You know that....you keep saying it.

Now...would you like to step up to the theological discussion?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change.""" ----That was a quote from the IAP which you posted.

This is getting embarrassing.

I would certainly think so! Your Source is acknowledging that "many details are NOT known."

And like gravity----their theories"fall down" from lack of those necessary "details"---

Jesus not only walked on water, but defied gravity while HIS Disciples watched and recorded HIS ascension into the heavens---unaided by earthly means.

Also, Jesus visited with HIS Father GOD in heaven(some forty days earlier) and was back in less than twelve hours. I would say that traveling would by much faster than the speed of light.

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change.""" ----That was a quote from the IAP which you posted.



I would certainly think so! Your Source is acknowledging that "many details are NOT known."

And like gravity----their theories"fall down" from lack of those necessary "details"---

Jesus not only walked on water, but defied gravity while HIS Disciples watched and recorded HIS ascension into the heavens---unaided by earthly means.

Also, Jesus visited with HIS Father GOD in heaven(some forty days earlier) and was back in less than twelve hours. I would say that traveling would by much faster than the speed of light.

Who are you to tell a nations scientific community they are wrong?

 

[outhouse]

Just can't walk without that crutch....can you?

Genesis isn't about history.
You know that....you keep saying it.

Now...would you like to step up to the theological discussion?

Im sorry you cannot stand credible history that explains what really happened so long ago :yes:


History is the only way to place your theology into proper context.:slap:

 

[Thief]

Im sorry you cannot stand credible history that explains what really happened so long ago :yes:


History is the only way to place your theology into proper context.:slap:

That is your insistance...and your excuse for not believing.

You won't find God in your history book.
And you won't look anywhere else.

Why not start a topic thread to demonstrate your closed minded opion?
Try leaving your history book closed.
Maybe you can then open your mind.

 

[outhouse]

That is your insistance...and your excuse for not believing.

You won't find God in your history book.
And you won't look anywhere else.

Why not start a topic thread to demonstrate your closed minded opion?
Try leaving your history book closed.
Maybe you can then open your mind.

This is a thread about what is reported to have taken place long ago.


This is not about placing mythology in reality.

 

[outhouse]

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains

substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Thief]

This is a thread about what is reported to have taken place long ago.


This is not about placing mythology in reality.

If you don't believe in Genesis....fine.
Your denial is noted.

I believe in Genesis.
You have nothing credible to change that.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change.""" ----That was a quote from the IAP which you posted.

I would certainly think so! Your Source is acknowledging that "many details are NOT known."

And like gravity----their theories"fall down" from lack of those necessary "details"---
Jesus not only walked on water, but defied gravity while HIS Disciples watched and recorded HIS ascension into the heavens---unaided by earthly means.

Also, Jesus visited with HIS Father GOD in heaven(some forty days earlier) and was back in less than twelve hours. I would say that traveling would by much faster than the speed of light.

Who are you to tell a nations scientific community they are wrong?

Outhouse, they acknowledge that they do NOT have the "details"---Why do you refuse to do the same??

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse, they acknowledge that they do NOT have the "details"---Why do you refuse to do the same??

Speciating has been factually observed. That means evolution is fact.


Because they have not learned everything about the process, does not mean evolution is not factually happening


We dont have the all the details of gravity, but the apple falls. :slap:

 

[outhouse]

Also, Jesus visited with HIS Father GOD in heaven

I have provided facts of evolution.


That is not fact. That is faith, and faith alone.

 

[outhouse]

You have no words that you can use, that will refute the fact that evolution has been happening for millions of years.

Because YOU cannot refute fact.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Outhouse, they acknowledge that they do NOT have the "details"---Why do you refuse to do the same??

Speciating has been factually observed. That means evolution is fact. Because they have not learned everything about the process, does not mean evolution is not factually happening

We dont have the all the details of gravity, but the apple falls. :slap:

Speciation is NOT the same as evolution. The human being has multiple characteristics based upon the DNA of the parents, but that isn't a change into another "genus or family grouping."

Again, without the "details", one has speculation, opinion, but not actual facts. You are still refusing to acknowledge that which the IAP has admitted---those "details " are not known. And they agree to believe their unproven theories.----Hoping to stumble upon the answer----which is placed before them in the---"GOD spake and it stood fast".