Genesis 2

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Outhouse, the IAP hasn't satisfied all the questions --therefore not a credidle source.---can't be fact(evidence) without completion.
Therefore, you are ladened with more "faith" in something that hasn't been established.
The Scriptures had verifying proof 2000 years ago by the Creator GOD.HE Had power over death, wind, water, disease, gravity, etc.
All written down for mankind to see and read long after you acknowledge that writing had been established.

The only thing you have provided is acknowledged unanswered questions designated as "theories". Just as I wrote in this post(recently)----""""Outhouse, There is nothing "credible" concerning that Statement by the IAP. By the statement itself is acknowledged that there are many open questions which ARE NOT Answered.(see red above) It still is "THEORY"---unproven, but speculated by man.("unsubstantiated opinion")

I don't think you have a clue what your talking about.

There are many facts supporting evolution. There are many facts supporting gravity.

You do not have the education or knowledge to denounce or refute the IAP.


Who do you think you are?

Hi outhouse, I know who I am, but you do not know me nor my knowledge or education. The IAP issued the statement you posted and I pointed out their acknowledgement. The major questions for which they have no answers are the production of life from inorganic matter---After they provide a source for that "matter".
They have no credible answers---just "supposd theories"---NOT proven as they admit.

What you "think about me" is your own projection.

 

[outhouse]

I don't think you have a clue what your even talking about.

There are many facts supporting evolution. There are many facts supporting gravity.

You do not have the education or knowledge to denounce or refute the IAP.


Who do you think you are?

 

[outhouse]

What you "think about me" is your own projection.

No, what you post is your projection.


You do not have the credibility to denounce a the whole WORLDS scientific communities.


Who do you think you are?

 

[outhouse]

You cant even figure out how to use the quote feature properly !


Yet your smarter then the worlds scientific communities and have all the answers :jester3:

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
What you "think about me" is your own projection.

No, what you post is your projection.


You do not have the credibility to denounce a the whole WORLDS scientific communities.

You cant even figure out how to use the quote feature properly !


Yet your smarter then the worlds scientific communities and have all the answers :jester3:

Who do you think you are?

What I posted was my comments. What you "projected to me" was your own inadequate feelings---as I posted you do not know me.
One doesn't have to be a "teacher" to understand an acknowledged (the wording) "there are many open questions". And I answered your last question.

 

[outhouse]

You do not have the credibility to denounce a the whole WORLDS scientific communities.


Who do you think you are?

 

[outhouse]

You may not understand


You dot get to denounce a scientific community with unsubstantiated FAITH based opinion.


You cannot use faith to determine what is and what is not FACT.

 

[sincerly]

You may not understand You dot get to denounce a scientific community with unsubstantiated FAITH based opinion.

You cannot use faith to determine what is and what is not FACT.

Outhouse, from your post# 952, """"Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.""""

And That origin was from the Living Creator GOD.

 

[Thief]

Outhouse, from your post# 952, """"Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.""""

And That origin was from the Living Creator GOD.

I agree.
Life cannot come forth of dead substance.
Spirit begets spirit.

That we are for awhile contained in substance does not disprove God.
On the contrary...it leans to strong evidence.....FOR God.

7billion copies of a learning device that can render a unique spirit on each occasion.......
God did it.

 

[outhouse]

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains

substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Thief]

Dead things don't bring life to this world.

 

[outhouse]

Dead things don't bring life to this world.

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains

substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[sincerly]

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains

substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if [/color=red]there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change[/color], scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

Outhouse, As Paul predicted/prophesied in 2Tim.4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
You refuse to see that disclaimer by the IAP----being drawn by the "false light" of their rhetoric.
The truth of the matter is there is coming a day when ALL will answer for the choice made in regards to those scriptures.

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse, As Paul predicted/prophesied in 2Tim.4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
You refuse to see that disclaimer by the IAP----being drawn by the "false light" of their rhetoric.
The truth of the matter is there is coming a day when ALL will answer for the choice made in regards to those scriptures.

Your taking Paul out of context.

Paul was not talking about scientific advancements 2000 years later


Paul was also viewed as a heretic by many, even his own apostles tried to soften him up with their epistles [attributed to Paul]



Paul was refering to different versions of Jesus that were floating around teh first century. The movement was very diverse with many different styles.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Outhouse, As Paul predicted/prophesied in 2Tim.4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
You refuse to see that disclaimer by the IAP----being drawn by the "false light" of their rhetoric.
The truth of the matter is there is coming a day when ALL will answer for the choice made in regards to those scriptures.

Your taking Paul out of context.

Paul was not talking about scientific advancements 2000 years later
Paul was also viewed as a heretic by many, even his own apostles tried to soften him up with their epistles [attributed to Paul]
Paul was refering to different versions of Jesus that were floating around teh first century. The movement was very diverse with many different styles.

Let's see what Jesus said was to be their witness to the entire world. Matt. 28:19-20, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

And Paul's assurance to the Galatians1:11-12, "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

And to the Ephesians 4:4-6, "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Outhouse, that "Gospel" is called the "Everlasting Gospel"---Heb.4:2, "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it." (See Rev. 14:6-7, also)
And Jesus to Thomas(John 20:27-29), "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed".

outhouse, that adversary who caused the only two persons alive to be "bequiled" is doing the same number on the masses of people today. And that Timothy verse is just as true today as it was when given----and with a lot more sophisticated tools.

Of those Ephesians(Elders/leaders), Paul had this to say/fortell. (Acts 20:29-31), "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."

Outhouse, The Scriptural writings are true---your sources are false---(which your failed to supply.)

 

[outhouse]

That is apologetics and has nothing to do with scientific facts

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[sincerly]

Let's see what Jesus said was to be their witness to the entire world. Matt. 28:19-20, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

And Paul's assurance to the Galatians1:11-12, "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

And to the Ephesians 4:4-6, "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Outhouse, that "Gospel" is called the "Everlasting Gospel"---Heb.4:2, "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it." (See Rev. 14:6-7, also)
And Jesus to Thomas(John 20:27-29), "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed".

outhouse, that adversary who caused the only two persons alive to be "bequiled" is doing the same number on the masses of people today. And that Timothy verse is just as true today as it was when given----and with a lot more sophisticated tools.

Of those Ephesians(Elders/leaders), Paul had this to say/fortell. (Acts 20:29-31), "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears."

Outhouse, The Scriptural writings are true---your sources are false---(which your failed to supply.)

That is apologetics and has nothing to do with scientific facts

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

Outhouse, that is the "fact of the Matter" from Genesis to Revelation. The "scientific facts" are laid out in the Creating GOD did in those six literal days of "speaking and it standing fast". There was no need for billions of years as those IAP scientist acknowledge--- """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,..."""

 

[outhouse]

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[outhouse]

There was no need for billions of years as those IAP scientist acknowledge--- """there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,..."""

There is no need to accept mythology as historical reality, but many people blindly do so.

I have seen many examples of such.


There are many questions to gravity, yet the apple falls from the tree down to the ground 100% of the time. Evolution is exactly the same way, while we may not have all the answers, life has factually evolved for billions of years. This is something your religion cannot change.

 

[greentwiga]

The problem is that the Christians are not defending the scriptures against evolution. They are defending their interpretation of scriptures against evolution. I do not see anywhere a statement that Scofield's interpretation (or Luther's, or the Pope's, or ....) is inspired by God.

I believe each and every word of Scripture was inspired by God, in the original. I also see that the Bible allows for evolution, or any other theory that may replace it in the future. I am excited by how accurate the Bible is, but since it is not a science text, I don't expect it to go into detail about science, but just be accurate in what it says, and to say it in a way that would have been clear to the original readers. Thus Moses writing to Israelites of 1400 BC would word things differently than Paul writing to first century Christians, but both writing for clear understanding.