Genesis 2

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Hi outhouse, you have left out a few steps to Abraham being in the land of "Canaan". Shem's family was dispersed from Babel just as the others were.
Ham was the father of Canaan. Terah, from the line of Shem, was Abraham's father.

So far that is all mythology with no historical substance.

And it does not change the Canaanite heritage of Israelites.

The Scriptures give the history and the why. It is disbelieving mankind who label it "myth". What I see is real. I exist and you, also. And despite what you want to believe so does the Creator GOD who lead millions of people and fed(sustained) them(miraculously) for more that 40 years.(that recorded history).

 

[outhouse]

And despite what you want to believe so does the Creator GOD who lead millions of people and fed(sustained) them(miraculously) for more that 40 years.(that recorded history).

So far scientifically your deity does not exist.

Your bible is not a history book, it does contain theology though, often written with mythology.

Feeding people for 40 years at thi spoint is mythology.




Now if you would like to provide a credible source, we are all ears.

 

[Thief]

So far scientifically your deity does not exist.

Your bible is not a history book, it does contain theology though, often written with mythology.

Feeding people for 40 years at thi spoint is mythology.




Now if you would like to provide a credible source, we are all ears.

Who's we?

Still waiting for someone to hand you another history book?....the one God wrote?

(think about it)

 

[outhouse]

....the one God wrote?

(think about it)

Do you think if there is a god, he is even literate?

 

[Thief]

Do you think if there is a god, he is even literate?

Sufficiently so to say....'Let there be light!'
and a few other choice quotes.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
And despite what you want to believe so does the Creator GOD who lead millions of people and fed(sustained) them(miraculously) for more that 40 years.(that recorded history).

So far scientifically your deity does not exist.

Your bible is not a history book, it does contain theology though, often written with mythology.

Feeding people for 40 years at this point is mythology.

Now if you would like to provide a credible source, we are all ears.

Outhouse, Because you choose not to believe doesn't make it so.
The history of the people(was recorded--whether from obedience or disobedience---alike) tells about that feeding done approx. 3550 years ago---and Jesus verified as happening 2000 years ago. Also, showing HIS Creative power by feeding of 5000+ persons with a lads lunch and having basketfuls left-over.

Those scriptures have been present/a witness for many thousands of years.(recopied with care for thousands of years).
"Wikipedia"----not so, and there is still debate among the editors.

You may be "all ears", but mankind has the ability to refuse to "hear or see". Your/everyone's choice.

 

[outhouse]

Sufficiently so to say....'Let there be light!'
and a few other choice quotes.

That does not mean he was literate.

How did Israelites know what a god said 13 B years prior?

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse, Because you choose not to believe doesn't make it so. .

Correct.

That goes for you as well.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Thief
Sufficiently so to say....'Let there be light!'
and a few other choice quotes.

That does not mean he was literate.

How did Israelites know what a god said 13 B years prior?

Outhouse, those Israelites stood at the foot of Sinai and heard GOD speak and then saw the tablets upon which GOD wrote.---again you you have the choice to believe what was recorded or to disbelieve.
And the fourth Commandment of those which were written on those stone tablets stated that GOD Created all things----and they were to "Remember".

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse, those Israelites stood at the foot of Sinai and heard GOD speak and then saw the tablets upon which GOD wrote.---again you you have the choice to believe what was recorded or to disbelieve.


".

Which most scholars claim as a literary creation.

To date, Moses has no historicity what so ever.


You would think if god really wrote something, man would be so impressed he would not loose it.


Where are these tablets written in gods own hand? :biglaugh:

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Outhouse, those Israelites stood at the foot of Sinai and heard GOD speak and then saw the tablets upon which GOD wrote.---again you have the choice to believe what was recorded or to disbelieve.

Which most scholars claim as a literary creation.

To date, Moses has no historicity what so ever.

You would think if god really wrote something, man would be so impressed he would not loose it.

Where are these tablets written in gods own hand? :biglaugh:

Outhouse, those are the same "scholars"/scientist who claim that "literary creation" a "myth"and they keep expanding the "time-frame for their "theories" hoping that they have coved their "odds of it happening."
Since they can not disprove the Existance of GOD or the early patriarchs, they claim---"no historicity"---as if that eliminated the Scriptural recordings( of thousands of years).

The Decalogue hasn't been lost---for over 2000 years, believers have had them in their hears and minds. Also, those disbelievers have sought hard to eradicate them along with the GOD who gave them.

 

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by sincerly
Outhouse, those Israelites stood at the foot of Sinai and heard GOD speak and then saw the tablets upon which GOD wrote.---again you have the choice to believe what was recorded or to disbelieve.



Outhouse, those are the same "scholars"/scientist who claim that "literary creation" a "myth"and they keep expanding the "time-frame for their "theories" hoping that they have coved their "odds of it happening."
Since they can not disprove the Existance of GOD or the early patriarchs, they claim---"no historicity"---as if that eliminated the Scriptural recordings( of thousands of years).

The Decalogue hasn't been lost---for over 2000 years, believers have had them in their hears and minds. Also, those disbelievers have sought hard to eradicate them along with the GOD who gave them.

So

Once again you cannot supply any credible source.

Only your unsubstantiated opinion.



This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains

substantiated facts to back their position.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Thief]

Make a list of your so called credible/acceptable sources.....

I'm just curious.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Outhouse, those Israelites stood at the foot of Sinai and heard GOD speak and then saw the tablets upon which GOD wrote.---again you have the choice to believe what was recorded or to disbelieve.

Outhouse, those are the same "scholars"/scientist who claim that "literary creation" a "myth"and they keep expanding the "time-frame for their "theories" hoping that they have coved their "odds of it happening."
Since they can not disprove the Existance of GOD or the early patriarchs, they claim---"no historicity"---as if that eliminated the Scriptural recordings( of thousands of years).
The Decalogue hasn't been lost---for over 2000 years, believers have had them in their hears and minds. Also, those disbelievers have sought hard to eradicate them along with the GOD who gave them.

So, Once again you cannot supply any credible source.
Only your unsubstantiated opinion.

This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, and contains

substantiated facts to back their position.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts
about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:...

Outhouse, There is nothing "credible" concerning that Statement by the IAP. By the statement itself is acknowledged that there are many open questions which ARE NOT Answered.(see red above) It still is "THEORY"---unproven, but speculated by man.("unsubstantiated opinion")

Shall I just copy this to post each time you repost that "statement"?

 

[outhouse]

Outhouse, There is nothing "credible" concerning that Statement by the IAP. By the statement itself is acknowledged that there are many open questions which ARE NOT Answered.(see red above) It still is "THEORY"---unproven, but speculated by man.("unsubstantiated opinion")

Shall I just copy this to post each time you repost that "statement"?

With your logic we should not even talk about gravity. We don't know everything about gravity, yet the apple falls.

Evolution is fact in what we have observed it. because we do not understand the science 100% does not mean it is not factually taking place.

We factually evolved.

Just because there are still questions to gravity and evolution does not mean both are not taking place.



I provide sources, so far you have only provided mythology

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly Outhouse, There is nothing "credible" concerning that Statement by the IAP. By the statement itself is acknowledged that there are many open questions which ARE NOT Answered.(see red above) It still is "THEORY"---unproven, but speculated by man.("unsubstantiated opinion")

Shall I just copy this to post each time you repost that "statement"?

With your logic we should not even talk about gravity. We don't know everything about gravity, yet the apple falls.

Evolution is fact in what we have observed it. because we do not understand the science 100% does not mean it is not factually taking place.

We factually evolved.

Just because there are still questions to gravity and evolution does not mean both are not taking place.

I provide sources, so far you have only provided mythology

Outhouse, We do know a lot about gravity---not everything. What goes up on earth basically comes down. That "gravitational force" is seen with a magnet and iron filings---in bands from north to south poles of the magnet. Remember that high school experiment?.(probably in the lower grades today.)

Evolution? Which came first---the chicken or the egg?? Yes, the egg does show evolvement from the egg through the maturation process to the full grown hen and to the egg. However, there is no "evolvement" from a mud-hole of atoms to a living one-cell organism to a multiple-celled variety of plant and animal organisms. That's the 'myth".

Yes, that process which GOD Created is still taking place---GOD is still sustaining the life HE Created. "In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth."

 

[outhouse]

However, there is no "evolvement" from a mud-hole of atoms to a living one-cell organism to a multiple-celled variety of plant and animal organisms. That's the 'myth".

Well you are wrong again. WE have a clear fossil record from single cell to multi cell, all the way up.

Guess what it is clear as a bell.


The only myth here is creation.

"In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth."

Looks like myth to me.


It is also why you have no credible sources WHAT SO EVER!

 

[outhouse]

YOU! are the one making a claim, thus it is on you to prove it.


YOU have no proof

YOU have no evidence

YOU do not provide sources


YOU have empty hands filled with faith an nothing more.

 

[sincerly]

YOU! are the one making a claim, thus it is on you to prove it.

YOU have no proof
YOU have no evidence
YOU do not provide sources
YOU have empty hands filled with faith an nothing more.

Outhouse, the IAP hasn't satisfied all the questions --therefore not a credidle source.---can't be fact(evidence) without completion.
Therefore, you are ladened with more "faith" in something that hasn't been established.
The Scriptures had verifying proof 2000 years ago by the Creator GOD.HE Had power over death, wind, water, disease, gravity, etc.
All written down for mankind to see and read long after you acknowledge that writing had been established.

The only thing you have provided is acknowledged unanswered questions designated as "theories".

 

[outhouse]

, the IAP hasn't satisfied all the questions --therefore not a credidle source.---can't be fact(evidence) without completion
.

I don't think you have a clue what your talking about.


There are many facts supporting evolution. There are many facts supporting gravity.

You do not have the education or knowledge to denounce or refute the IAP.


Who do you think you are?