outhouse
Atheistically
STOP with the perversion of good text
You take it out of context.
We cannot teach old dogs new tricks, when the dog hates America and its education system.
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Genesis 2
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STOP with the perversion of good text
You take it out of context.
We cannot teach old dogs new tricks, when the dog hates America and its education system.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
STOP with the perversion of good text
You take it out of context.
We cannot teach old dogs new tricks, when the dog hates America and its education system.
And your history books help?
And your complaint of hatred is valid?
Who are you calling a dog?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
There are people in this thread who seem fully-ensconced in maintaining the status quo of power within the Christian Faith. They refuse to engage in toppling the stones of the Temple, which is precisely what Christianity is all about.STOP with the perversion of good text
You take it out of context.
We cannot teach old dogs new tricks, when the dog hates America and its education system.
outhouse
Atheistically
Its not that as much to me, as just perverting a personal literal interpretation, because it was how he was raised.
No amount of reason or reality, education and knowledge, will change a lifetime of belief.
Old ways die with the old thankfully. Some people hopefully will evolve foward with faith and belief, not discounting religious or scientific education and credible knowledge.
One can give christianity a black eye with this bahaviour
sincerly
Well-Known Member
You answered your own question. GOD and HIS Creation are real.
To believe in the supposed theories of mankind to the contrary is the lie for this--"belief".
outhouse
Atheistically
No
And you carry less then zero credibility here, for what was written.
You are not a biblical spokesperson. You some guy with a outdated minor view not in support by your own religion, you embarrass.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
God is real. Creation is real -- and it came about by the science we know.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
That was your paraphrase of John 3:17, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Now read the verse 18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God".
And going back to vss.15-16, "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "
John starts his history of the life of Jesus to/with the audience being the world's population. He is answering the question asked by Jesus of the twelve--
John 6:69, "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." and John 1:1-4, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. "
That coupled with their mission--John 20:21, "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you".
Jesus came to the "lost sheep of Israel"---they were the ones who were supposed to have carried the salvation to all the world--and failed. Now, since the Israelites had refused their awaited for Messiah--Jesus. The messages was to go by way of the Apostles to all the world. Those who accept their message of Salvation is/was to continue to spread the life giving truths of the message.
The condemnation is still to all who refuse to accept the "life giving truths" of the Message---It has NOT Changed.
Yes, GOD is "long-suffering" and desires all to Repent and submit, but the Fruit of those who have departed echo's the "examples which were written for our admonition"---and GOD destroyed the rebellious/defiant/ evil Beings.
No, I have no knowledge of who will "believe" and surrender to the pleading of the Holy Spirit in their last moments of life. But I do know that when life ceases, the Scriptures declare one's reward to be had is determined.
Because GOD is Merciful and forgiving does NOT equate to "all will be saved" into the Kingdom. GOD will not allow those who have not surrendered their will to be in agreement to the Father's to again bring disharmony into the "Earth made new". NOR will GOD force anyone to be a robot without that freedom to choose.
Therefore, All that are admitted into the earth made new, will have in LOVE submitted their "all" to pleasing GOD.
Man shouldn't "assume"---GOD has stated and that will come to pass.
When the "fat lady sings", Earth's time will have ended and Rev.22:11-12, will be fact. "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
Now read the verse 18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God".
And going back to vss.15-16, "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "
John starts his history of the life of Jesus to/with the audience being the world's population. He is answering the question asked by Jesus of the twelve--
John 6:69, "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." and John 1:1-4, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. "
That coupled with their mission--John 20:21, "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you".
Jesus came to the "lost sheep of Israel"---they were the ones who were supposed to have carried the salvation to all the world--and failed. Now, since the Israelites had refused their awaited for Messiah--Jesus. The messages was to go by way of the Apostles to all the world. Those who accept their message of Salvation is/was to continue to spread the life giving truths of the message.
The condemnation is still to all who refuse to accept the "life giving truths" of the Message---It has NOT Changed.
Yes, GOD is "long-suffering" and desires all to Repent and submit, but the Fruit of those who have departed echo's the "examples which were written for our admonition"---and GOD destroyed the rebellious/defiant/ evil Beings.
No, I have no knowledge of who will "believe" and surrender to the pleading of the Holy Spirit in their last moments of life. But I do know that when life ceases, the Scriptures declare one's reward to be had is determined.
Because GOD is Merciful and forgiving does NOT equate to "all will be saved" into the Kingdom. GOD will not allow those who have not surrendered their will to be in agreement to the Father's to again bring disharmony into the "Earth made new". NOR will GOD force anyone to be a robot without that freedom to choose.
Therefore, All that are admitted into the earth made new, will have in LOVE submitted their "all" to pleasing GOD.
Man shouldn't "assume"---GOD has stated and that will come to pass.
When the "fat lady sings", Earth's time will have ended and Rev.22:11-12, will be fact. "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
You answered your own question. GOD and HIS Creation are real.
To believe in the supposed theories of mankind to the contrary is the lie for this--"belief".
It came about by the scriptures we know which declared that "GOD Spake and it stood fast".---No need for billions of years to accomplish the Creation of "all things". Yes, Humans (and all things) are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.
You answered your own question. GOD and HIS Creation are real.
To believe in the supposed theories of mankind to the contrary is the lie for this--"belief".
It came about by the scriptures we know which declared that "GOD Spake and it stood fast".---No need for billions of years to accomplish the Creation of "all things". Yes, Humans (and all things) are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.
outhouse
Atheistically
outhouse
Atheistically
Could we provide an honest answer please.
We have given you the wordls best credible sources stating the exact opposite.
While you never provide anything but unsubstantiated BIASED opinion only followed by a minority of religious people.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
This is one of the most juvenile and inane treatments of John, and one of the worst cobbling together of completely different texts I've ever seen. A very fine example of eisegesis -- reading into the texts what one wishes to see. We can only hope that, one day, such picayune and narrow, controlling treatments of the texts (and the Faith) will die out, leaving Christianity to truly be a tool to free captives and set the oppressed free, and a way to actually proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Preposterous that someone living in the 21st century could have his head buried so far in the sand as to actually believe this tripe. Either that, or it's a blatant troll.
outhouse
Atheistically
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sojourner View Post
God is real. Creation is real -- and it came about by the science we know.
To the contrary of your demeaning supposition, Psalm 33:6-11,""By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast. 10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.", was written by David who received instructions from GOD via the Prophet Nathan, and wrote those psalms of praise and gratitude.
It was already known that GOD Created all things by the people---From the encounter at Sinai---Which referred them back to the facts of Gen.1:1. (some 2850+ years earlier---than David).
God is real. Creation is real -- and it came about by the science we know.
sincerely said:
Translates to some scribe who knew nothing about anything.
To the contrary of your demeaning supposition, Psalm 33:6-11,""By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast. 10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.", was written by David who received instructions from GOD via the Prophet Nathan, and wrote those psalms of praise and gratitude.
It was already known that GOD Created all things by the people---From the encounter at Sinai---Which referred them back to the facts of Gen.1:1. (some 2850+ years earlier---than David).
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outhouse
Atheistically
This is viewed a truth for most of the educated world, theist included, and contains substantiated facts to back their position.
You don't have to like the truth, or be part of the majority.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth its geology and its environments has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
You don't have to like the truth, or be part of the majority.
IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution
We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:
In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
Since its formation, the Earth its geology and its environments has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.
sincerly
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.
I have given honest Answers based upon the recorded Scriptural facts.
The more the scientist probe into the mysteries of LIFE and the LIVING STRUCTURES, the more absurd is their initial "theories" seen. (i.e.), a spontaneous super intelligent microbe "evolving" to produce all living organisms which one sees.(or can't see).
Where is you honesty in ignoring the very admission of a lack of "Details"???
They may by the "best", but they also, admit details of the theories can not by produced.
Those Scriptures show that it isn't the majority which are the honest in relationship to the Scriptures---but the few obedient ones.
Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.
Could we provide an honest answer please.
We have given you the wordls best credible sources stating the exact opposite.
I have given honest Answers based upon the recorded Scriptural facts.
The more the scientist probe into the mysteries of LIFE and the LIVING STRUCTURES, the more absurd is their initial "theories" seen. (i.e.), a spontaneous super intelligent microbe "evolving" to produce all living organisms which one sees.(or can't see).
Where is you honesty in ignoring the very admission of a lack of "Details"???
They may by the "best", but they also, admit details of the theories can not by produced.
Those Scriptures show that it isn't the majority which are the honest in relationship to the Scriptures---but the few obedient ones.
outhouse
Atheistically
Stop your ridiculous replies.
Your the one who refuses to address why gravity is a fact, and we dont have all the details.
Evolution has been observed. Your wrong and carry no credibility here or anywhere.