Genesis 2

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by sojourner View Post
God is real. Creation is real -- and it came about by the science we know.

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Originally Posted by sincerely
It came about by the scriptures we know which declared that "GOD Spake and it stood fast".---No need for billions of years to accomplish the Creation of "all things". Yes, Humans (and all things) are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.

Really?? Srrsly? That's the best you got? A pat, "non-answer?" Wow.

 

[sincerly]

This is one of the most juvenile and inane treatments of John, and one of the worst cobbling together of completely different texts I've ever seen. A very fine example of eisegesis -- reading into the texts what one wishes to see. We can only hope that, one day, such picayune and narrow, controlling treatments of the texts (and the Faith) will die out, leaving Christianity to truly be a tool to free captives and set the oppressed free, and a way to actually proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.

I do hear echo's of the serpents dealings with Eve.
She and Adam lost their freedom to become slaves of disobedience and death.
Truth was always spoken against by those who desired to place themselves above the Creator GOD.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
You answered your own question. GOD and HIS Creation are real.
To believe in the supposed theories of mankind to the contrary is the lie for this--"belief".

It came about by the scriptures we know which declared that "GOD Spake and it stood fast".---No need for billions of years to accomplish the Creation of "all things". Yes, Humans (and all things) are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.

Preposterous that someone living in the 21st century could have his head buried so far in the sand as to actually believe this tripe. Either that, or it's a blatant troll.

What I have written is Scripturally true and NOT a Troll. So when are you planning to free your head??

 

[outhouse]

What I have written is Scripturally true

It factually is not.

You have your own personal interpretation.

 

[CG Didymus]

I do hear echo's of the serpents dealings with Eve.
She and Adam lost their freedom to become slaves of disobedience and death.
Truth was always spoken against by those who desired to place themselves above the Creator GOD.

What is it when people that do believe in the Creator God disagree? They're putting their interpretation of who God is above someone else's. They both think they are telling the "Truth" about God, which is right? At what point do you compromise and find the commonality in what you believe?

An easy dividing line used to be between Catholics and Protestants. Is it still? Or, have both compromised a bit? Another one is between those that believe in speaking in tongues and those that don't believe tongues is for today.

Some people draw the line even further down and say that all people, in any religion, that are doing their best to be good, decent people are all okay, because they are living the "Truth" and putting aside religious and doctrinal differences. Being too strict on doctrines isn't too much different than the complaints Jesus had with the Pharisees. They talked a good talk but didn't follow through in their actions.

And, before you discount what I'm trying to say, look at the parable of the "Good Samaritan". He had the wrong religion, but did the right spiritual action of being a "good" neighbor. So how different would that be if a Christian passed by the hurt man and a Buddhist stopped and helped him? Who really has the "Truth" in their heart?

 

[sojourner]

I do hear echo's of the serpents dealings with Eve.
She and Adam lost their freedom to become slaves of disobedience and death.
Truth was always spoken against by those who desired to place themselves above the Creator GOD.

Hmmm... Don't seem to remember that the serpent lied. Also don't seem to remember that the serpent, or Adam, or Eve desired to place themselves above God.

 

[sojourner]

What I have written is Scripturally true and NOT a Troll. So when are you planning to free your head??

None of this:

It came about by the scriptures we know which declared that "GOD Spake and it stood fast".---No need for billions of years to accomplish the Creation of "all things". Yes, Humans (and all things) are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.

is scriptural. It's all your interpretation of scripture.

"Scriptural truth" never trumps scientific fact. Unless your head is buried in the sand.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Where is you honesty in ignoring the very admission of a lack of "Details"???
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Stop your ridiculous replies.

Asking that you show the "details" which the Scientist admit have not been produced is "ridiculous"?? The honesty, since you agree with them, would be in the acknowledging that--- Yes, there are very important/necessary details/information which is needed to fully support the "Theory of evolution".

Your the one who refuses to address why gravity is a fact, and we dont have all the details.

I acknowledge that Gravity is a fact and that there are many more things about this earth/world that we live in that is NOT known, but that doesn't excuse the making of "man made Theories" Facts: because the lack of their theories evidence doesn't support the conclusion. (one supposition supporting another isn't FACT)

Evolution has been observed. Your wrong and carry no credibility here or anywhere.

The "evolving" of the seed to a mature plant producing the same type of plant doesn't prove that a bacteria of the "Domain" was able to produce the multicellular/multifunctional/multi-verities of plants/animals seen.

 

[sincerly]

What is it when people that do believe in the Creator God disagree? They're putting their interpretation of who God is above someone else's. They both think they are telling the "Truth" about God, which is right? At what point do you compromise and find the commonality in what you believe?

An easy dividing line used to be between Catholics and Protestants. Is it still? Or, have both compromised a bit? Another one is between those that believe in speaking in tongues and those that don't believe tongues is for today.

Some people draw the line even further down and say that all people, in any religion, that are doing their best to be good, decent people are all okay, because they are living the "Truth" and putting aside religious and doctrinal differences. Being too strict on doctrines isn't too much different than the complaints Jesus had with the Pharisees. They talked a good talk but didn't follow through in their actions.

And, before you discount what I'm trying to say, look at the parable of the "Good Samaritan". He had the wrong religion, but did the right spiritual action of being a "good" neighbor. So how different would that be if a Christian passed by the hurt man and a Buddhist stopped and helped him? Who really has the "Truth" in their heart?

HI CG D, Did you ever read The Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan?

 

[outhouse]

I acknowledge that Gravity is a fact
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We dont know all the details though, they admit they do dnot know all the details

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
I do hear echo's of the serpents dealings with Eve.
She and Adam lost their freedom to become slaves of disobedience and death.
Truth was always spoken against by those who desired to place themselves above the Creator GOD.

Hmmm... Don't seem to remember that the serpent lied. Also don't seem to remember that the serpent, or Adam, or Eve desired to place themselves above God.

Gen.3:4-6, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

They "believed" the serpent and gave dominion to him by their actions and beliefs. They became their own gods.
They began the dying process that day and did physically die later. GOD intervened and they agreed in the Sacrifice of the Animal for the "atoning of their disobedience---but that didn't negate the penalty---death(first and second death----as is seen in the scriptures.)
One still has to submit one's will to that of the Father.

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post What I have written is Scripturally true and NOT a Troll. So when are you planning to free your head??

None of this:

It came about by the scriptures we know which declared that "GOD Spake and it stood fast".---No need for billions of years to accomplish the Creation of "all things". Yes, Humans (and all things) are "fearfully and wonderfully made". Scientist have "discovered" those words to be true beyond their suppositions.

is scriptural. It's all your interpretation of scripture.

Just as I wrote is the Scriptural meaning.

"Scriptural truth" never trumps scientific fact. Unless your head is buried in the sand.

What GOD says will always trump the machinations of man; so when are you
planning the extricate your head???

 

[sincerly]

I acknowledge that Gravity is a fact and that there are many more things about this earth/world that we live in that is NOT known, but that doesn't excuse the making of "man made Theories" Facts: because the lack of their theories evidence doesn't support the conclusion. (one supposition supporting another isn't FACT)

We dont know all the details though, they admit they do dnot know all the details

By that admission by those Scientist, there can be no conclusion of a factual nature which they claim.
(1) There are NO "elements" that have been produced and offered as "observed" proof of the "Big Bang Theory". (2) there are NO Spontaneously produced Organism of the "Domain" classification to produce the ultimate members of the multicellular/multifunctional members of the Genes and species levels of each.
(3) Neither has scientist been able to create "Life from Non-life"

"Come now let us reason together" ---those lack of "details" do NOT equate to a conclusion of "Fact". Also, It takes more "Faith" to believe in the "Theories" of Man than to believe in the Ability For the Creator GOD who has manifested HIMSELF to human Beings down through the Ages to Create all things.

 

[sojourner]

Gen.3:4-6, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

They "believed" the serpent and gave dominion to him by their actions and beliefs. They became their own gods.
They began the dying process that day and did physically die later. GOD intervened and they agreed in the Sacrifice of the Animal for the "atoning of their disobedience---but that didn't negate the penalty---death(first and second death----as is seen in the scriptures.)
One still has to submit one's will to that of the Father.

Pretty poor and eisegetical attempt there, Skeezix.

Just as I wrote is the Scriptural meaning.

Uh huh. That's one meaning. And not a very good one.

What GOD says will always trump the machinations of man;

God created scientific laws by which repeatable outcomes may be observed.
Humans created a codependent adherence to a literalistic interpretation of the biblical texts, so... who trumps who here, and whose head is in the sand?

 

[sincerly]

Pretty poor and eisegetical attempt there, Skeezix.

Uh huh. That's one meaning. And not a very good one.

God created scientific laws by which repeatable outcomes may be observed.
Humans created a codependent adherence to a literalistic interpretation of the biblical texts, so... who trumps who here, and whose head is in the sand?

By that admission by those Scientist, there can be no conclusion of a factual nature which they claim.
(1) There are NO "elements" that have been produced and offered as "observed" proof of the "Big Bang Theory". (2) there are NO Spontaneously produced Organism of the "Domain" classification to produce the ultimate members of the multicellular/multifunctional members of the Genes and species levels of each.
(3) Neither has scientist been able to create "Life from Non-life"

"Come now let us reason together" ---those lack of "details" do NOT equate to a conclusion of "Fact". Also, It takes more "Faith" to believe in the "Theories" of Man than to believe in the Ability For the Creator GOD who has manifested HIMSELF to human Beings down through the Ages to Create all things.

All laws which govern nature, were made by the Creator GOD. Therefore. Creation/the production of all things will only be done by GOD. Therefore, the admitted lack of "details" in their conclusional connecting of the dots/evidence.

 

[outhouse]

By that admission by those Scientist, there can be no conclusion of a factual nature which they claim.

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Well your wrong. You are NO ONE to claim the worlds brightest minds are wrong

(1) There are NO "elements" that have been produced and offered as "observed" proof of the "Big Bang Theory". (2) there are NO Spontaneously produced Organism of the "Domain" classification to produce the ultimate members of the multicellular/multifunctional members of the Genes and species levels of each.
(3) Neither has scientist been able to create "Life from Non-life"

"Come now let us reason together" ---those lack of "details" do NOT equate to a conclusion of "Fact". Also, It takes more "Faith" to believe in the "Theories" of Man than to believe in the Ability For the Creator GOD who has manifested HIMSELF to human Beings down through the Ages to Create all things

Your god does not exist scientifically.


Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Thief]

I've heard Hawkins has conceded a thirty year argument with Susskind.

Was Hawkins wrong?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
By that admission by those Scientist, there can be no conclusion of a factual nature which they claim.

Well your wrong. You are NO ONE to claim the worlds brightest minds are wrong

They of their own admission made the acknowledgement of the "many details" which they do not know.

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post (1) There are NO "elements" that have been produced and offered as "observed" proof of the "Big Bang Theory". (2) there are NO Spontaneously produced Organism of the "Domain" classification to produce the ultimate members of the multicellular/multifunctional members of the Genus and species levels of each.
(3) Neither has scientist been able to create "Life from Non-life"

"Come now let us reason together" ---those lack of "details" do NOT equate to a conclusion of "Fact". Also, It takes more "Faith" to believe in the "Theories" of Man than to believe in the Ability For the Creator GOD who has manifested HIMSELF to human Beings down through the Ages to Create all things

Your god does not exist scientifically.

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.

The Creator GOD of the Scriptures doesn't need the approval of Scientist. GOD is seen/found by all who truly seek for HIM.

The currently addressed "word" of the IAP is "Details"---

Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,...

And some of those lacking "Precise details" are seen above.
Those bulleted ones were discussed many, many posts back.

 

[outhouse]

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
By that admission by those Scientist, there can be no conclusion of a factual nature to that which they claim.

They of their own admission made the acknowledgement of the "many details" which they do not know.

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post (1) There are NO "elements" that have been produced and offered as "observed" proof of the "Big Bang Theory". (2) there are NO Spontaneously produced Organism of the "Domain" classification to produce the ultimate members of the multicellular/multifunctional members of the Genus and species levels of each.
(3) Neither has scientist been able to create "Life from Non-life"

"Come now let us reason together" ---those lack of "details" do NOT equate to a conclusion of "Fact". Also, It takes more "Faith" to believe in the "Theories" of Man than to believe in the Ability For the Creator GOD who has manifested HIMSELF to human Beings down through the Ages to Create all things

The Creator GOD of the Scriptures doesn't need the approval of Scientist. GOD is seen/found by all who truly seek for HIM.

The currently addressed "word" of the IAP is "Details"---

Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,...

And some of those lacking "Precise details" are seen above.
Those bulleted ones were discussed many, many posts back.[/quote]

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.

That's your opinion; and the fact is the IAP was addressed, therefore, your post is not to be believed.
Nor was I trying to "refute" the lack of "details" they admitted as---not there.

 

[CG Didymus]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post The Creator GOD of the Scriptures doesn't need the approval of Scientist. GOD is seen/found by all who truly seek for HIM.

Don't you find it odd that this is about Genesis 2 and the Jews aren't posting. Why is that? Is this argument mostly about how Christians view Genesis?