Genesis Account of Creation: Firmament

[dad]

Opinions are only “baseless”, IF YOU CANNOT OBSERVE, MEASURE OR VERIFY anything.

And you really cannot verify what you believe in, therefore it is your opinions and personal belief in the Bible, that are “baseless”.

You cannot observe the records in heaven. Foot, meet shoe.

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

I'm sure his reasons would bore you. He owes you no explanation though. As Creator he can do with his creation as he sees fit from his vantage point. One that you are not privy to and neither am I. The Creator knows from the beginning how something will turn out. By bringing the flood, you have no idea what he prevented.....do you?

I only see a God of love, doing for humankind what needed to be done at the time. This was a love you obviously never saw because you were looking at his activities through such a distorted lens......how sad for you.

If you have issues with anything that God has done, it's your problem I'm afraid....I don't believe he has a complaints dept.

You're right I wouldn't understand the motivations of an genocidal maniac that is the ot God and if you think his drowing the human population except one guy and his family is love then you have a pretty sick definition of love.
Also since God knew everything was going to happen he made it so that he could drown a bunch of people in the flood. Yeah such a loving father there. lol

You are not God.....and thankfully, he is nothing like you....you seem to be so quick to judge on so little evidence or understanding.
He gave life and has the right to withdraw it from ungrateful idiots who just want to trash everything.
As far as the animals are concerned, it doesn't seem to have impacted on them one little bit.

Yeah your god is not like me you know a decent living thing with a good sense of moral who first responses isn't to commit mass genocide.

No sorry, you were nothing like me. Your beliefs would not have even come close to what I believe.....Christendom is not Christianity....but you knew that, right?

Throwing the no true Scotsman fallacy huh?

I am not a YEC and I have examined the science behind evolution and the flood and all kinds of other claims made for it. Never found it more convincing than the Bible. I found a lot of suggestions and assertions, but no real facts.
The Bible supports an ancient earth and a slow and deliberate creation over eons of time.

But let me get this straight....you swapped Christianity for this....
Christianity is just Madokaism deformed : MadokaMagica

OK then.....says it all.

Sorry I assumed you were a YEC my bad, That just makes it more unbelievable for you to consider the flood story to be truth.

Also the whole Madokaism things is a joke. I'm an Athiest, if you know the anime Madoka Magica and then look at my username you would realize the joke and laugh.

 

[Thief]

Yes, but that is not the sort of flood being discussed.

you like the word ….unpredictable

try using it in a positive manner

the great flood is likely explained.....how?

no one but God predicted the flood
but of course He was the Cause
and had inside information

gave that info to Noah
and maybe a few others over the globe.....and unknown to each other

a little global warming
salt water floods the low lying coast lines
where the population lives
they die
the survivors starve......farm land saturated with salt water

so forth and so on

 

[Subduction Zone]

Records are not just written ones on earth. Before there was writing, for example, any record would not have been written!
We also know God keeps records in heaven. Records like the book of life.
1Jo 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

It was a simple matter of transferring the record to earth, and, later as writing came to be needed, doing so in written form as well.

By definition that is not a record. It is oral tradition, and rife with inaccuracies.

 

[Subduction Zone]

you like the word ….unpredictable

try using it in a positive manner

the great flood is likely explained.....how?

no one but God predicted the flood
but of course He was the Cause
and had inside information

gave that info to Noah
and maybe a few others over the globe.....and unknown to each other

a little global warming
salt water floods the low lying coast lines
where the population lives
they die
the survivors starve......farm land saturated with salt water

so forth and so on

Give specifics. Not hand waving. What makes you think that God predicted anything?

 

[Thief]

Give specifics. Not hand waving. What makes you think that God predicted anything?

God told Noah...….get ready

 

[dad]

By definition that is not a record. It is oral tradition, and rife with inaccuracies.

By modern definition. However, obviously, if oral records existed before writing did, they would not be written records.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God told Noah...….get ready

But why would anyone believe that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

By modern definition. However, obviously, if oral records existed before writing did, they would not be written records.

By any definition. Your personal definition does not count.

 

[dad]

By any definition. Your personal definition does not count.

By any definition, records that were not written were not written records. Records in heaven are not earth records either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By any definition, records that were not written were not written records. Records in heaven are not earth records either.

Sorry, you have no idea what may or may not be going on in heaven, or if it even exists. But like it or not before writing it would not have been "records".

 

[dad]

Sorry, you have no idea what may or may not be going on in heaven, or if it even exists. But like it or not before writing it would not have been "records".

If records exist there, they did not come about by being written on earth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If records exist there, they did not come about by being written on earth.

You need to look up the meaning of the word "records".

 

[dad]

You need to look up the meaning of the word "records".

Was that definition written in modern times, or before there was writing?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Was that definition written in modern times, or before there was writing?

 

[dad]

Before man had writing man had records.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Before man had writing man had records.

Sometimes it feels as if I am talking to a toddler.

The word "records" would not have existed then.

 

[dad]

Sometimes it feels as if I am talking to a toddler.

The word "records" would not have existed then.

Says who? If someone asked Eve when she was 800 years old about the events 800 years ago, she could have told them. There was no need for written words, that I know about in the early days. All the world spoke one language.

Now if suddenly we could no longer talk to other groups of peoples we might resort to trying to draw picture words or some such. Eventually, we would come up with written words. That does not mean there was not a record of events. It just means that maybe there was no need for a written record.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Says who? If someone asked Eve when she was 800 years old about the events 800 years ago, she could have told them. There was no need for written words, that I know about in the early days. All the world spoke one language.

Now if suddenly we could no longer talk to other groups of peoples we might resort to trying to draw picture words or some such. Eventually, we would come up with written words. That does not mean there was not a record of events. It just means that maybe there was no need for a written record.

You shoot yourself in the foot when you refer to a myth as being real.

 

[gnostic]

You cannot observe the records in heaven. Foot, meet shoe.

If it cannot be observed, then how do you know any record exist?

And if there is Heaven, if beings that inhabited it, eg god(s) and angels are spirits, why would they need writings? If god exist, why would he need records, if you actually believe he is omniscient, and if he exist for eternity?

Have you not notice that these so-called scriptures or religious/mythological literature about heaven and god, are viewed like the world of humans, where we referred to Heaven as Kingdom, pretty much like kingdoms on Earth, ruled by monarchs. And with a kingdom, it must have a throne.

If god is spirit why would he need a throne to sit on?

In the Bible, god created the world in six days, therefore he instituted for humans 6 days of work, and the 7th day as rest, making it a holy day.

Does that mean in Heaven, there are also 7-day week?

Why? Why would god need rest? He is omnipotent, isn’t he?

Why god even need to keep time, if Heaven is timeless, eternal? For what purpose would a supreme being need to keep time?

Another common imagery about Heaven, is the chariot, like the one in Ezekiel’s vision. Why would god need a chariot? And if angels have wings, why would they need wheels? Aren’t wheels and chariots, just a bit redundant if angels have wings?

If god can be everywhere at the same time, him being omnipresent, why would god need chariot?

I think religion, like Christianity and any other theistic religions to be silly, to think what happens on earth will happen in Heaven too.

And there lies problems with think god being omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, where we god and Heaven having redundant things, like throne and chariot and written records and time keeping.