Genuine Question Regarding Anti-Semitism

[RabbiO]

It is hard to respect the people who ask their God to be crucified. The Romans did the Jews bidding by crucifying Jesus and then their Gods bidding by punishing the Jews.

And you accept Christian scripture as, you should pardon the expression, gospel because????

 

[CMike]

The Jews laid charges against Jesus and asked that he be crucified. Pilate could not find any Roman laws broken by Jesus. But the Jews said he had broken their religious laws by blaspheming. Even Pilates appeal was rejected.

John 18:38 "What is truth?" Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, "I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release 'the king of the Jews'?" 40 They shouted back, "No, not him! Give us Barabbas!" Now Barabbas had taken part in a rebellion.


There is no doubt the Jews killed Jesus. The Romans just carried out their wishes.

Totally absurd.

The Romans were vicious oppressors of the Jews. Pilate was especially bloodthirsty.

The Romans didn't need to find any laws that jesus broke.

That the Romans would seek consultation or advice from Jews at the time is just silly and shows an utter lack of comprehension of what was going on at the time.

Also jesus was not king of the Jews.

 

[CMike]

It is hard to respect the people who ask their God to be crucified. The Romans did the Jews bidding by crucifying Jesus and then their Gods bidding by punishing the Jews. Then all that was left was the religion which to took and made it their state religion. Divide, conquer and to the winners go the spoils. Christianity is based on deception, Roman deception.

Our G-D can not be crucified. That's why he is G-D

In fact, G-D protected Moses from being killed by the Egyptians. He was the reason of winning for my battles.

It seems that my G-D is stronger than your god.

 

[CMike]

It is hard to respect the people who ask their God to be crucified. The Romans did the Jews bidding by crucifying Jesus and then their Gods bidding by punishing the Jews. Then all that was left was the religion which to took and made it their state religion. Divide, conquer and to the winners go the spoils. Christianity is based on deception, Roman deception.

Yeah, Romans did the Jews' bidding :no:

 

[Andal]

I posted a similar thread asking why anti-Semitism still exists in European countries, in pockets of the U.S., and elsewhere. In honestly appalled by it, and I would like to understand why Jews have historically been persecuted repeatedly.

The last thread got derailed with personal attacks, and that is unacceptable. Please stick to the topic, as I've had members ask to have the thread restarted so they could reply. Don't make us shut another thread down.

Why does anti-Semitism still exist and why have Jews in particular been persecuted throughout history?

Check out "Faith and Fratricide" by Rosemary Ruether. She answers your question quite well from a historical perspective.

 

[outhouse]

The Jews laid charges against Jesus and asked that he be crucified. Pilate could not find any Roman laws broken by Jesus. But the Jews said he had broken their religious laws by blaspheming. Even Pilates appeal was rejected.

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ONLY if you lack the intellect to understand it is not literal history


There were almost half a million people at Passover, a Galilean Aramaic Jew would have been invisible in crowds this size.

Only by violent actions would one be noticed.


Romans policed the event with temple guards. The temple was ran by corrupt Hellenistic Jews who worked with the romans hand in hand.



You also ignore from ignorance, that the word Jew was diverse and not easily described. There were divisions in these multi cultural people as well.



jesus died for starting trouble in the temple and it had nothing to do with Jews out to get him.

 

[columbus]

Totally absurd.

The Romans were vicious oppressors of the Jews. Pilate was especially bloodthirsty.

The Romans didn't need to find any laws that jesus broke.

That the Romans would seek consultation or advice from Jews at the time is just silly and shows an utter lack of comprehension of what was going on at the time.

Also jesus was not king of the Jews.

The fact that Pilate would have had no interest in the charges described in the Gospels, but would have summarily ordered Jesus' crucifixion for antiRoman agitation is mostly why I think Jesus was a terrorist.

Tom

 

[outhouse]

That's a rather naive reading of a Biblical account. No one is further from being a Biblical scholar than me, and even I know your reading of it is naive.

Said person being a muslim in sheeps clothing.

Is taking the typical muslim approach of reading everything literal.

 

[outhouse]

The fact that Pilate would have had no interest in the charges described in the Gospels, but would have summarily ordered Jesus' crucifixion for antiRoman agitation is mostly why I think Jesus was a terrorist.

Tom

Jesus was probably a Zealot. But failed in his attempt to overthrow the temple as his disciples are portrayed as cowards, I would think he tried to rally the crowds by himself to overthrow the temple and failed.

But was martyred after his death by people that felt he sacrifice everything for them in a valiant attempt to rid corruption.


Caiaphas and Pilate demanded peace, and everyone knew the rules here that applied. They were smart sending a goon squad out at night to avoid a riot.


There was no trial. And Caiaphas and Pilate may have had no part in it. Just a temple guard saying we will get him tonight and put him on a cross. A trial was probably rhetoric in making him equal as being such a high figure he had met all the top key players. That's not reality here.

 

[roger1440]

Why would the Romans want Jesus dead?

 

[outhouse]

Why would the Romans want Jesus dead?

Because they were policing a huge money making event.

Pilates life depended on keeping peace and making sure the money flow back to Rome took place.

No money going back to Rome, and he would be dead. Same for Caiaphas.


A full blown riot would stop the currency exchange and incoming revenue.

 

[outhouse]

That temple was always on the edge of having Romans wipe it off he planet. The only reason it stayed up, was it was their cash cow.

Romans were fed up with rebellious Jews, and removing the temple was no big deal to them.


How they took it part, and crashed those huge stones down is beyond me. maybe it was stripped to build other things.

 

[columbus]

Why would the Romans want Jesus dead?

For the same reason the USA wants terrorists like Osama bin Laden dead. Empires don't like violent rabble rousers.

Tom

 

[roger1440]

For the same reason the USA wants terrorists like Osama bin Laden dead. Empires don't like violent rabble rousers.

Tom

How was Jesus "violent"?

 

[roger1440]

Because they were policing a huge money making event.

Pilates life depended on keeping peace and making sure the money flow back to Rome took place.

No money going back to Rome, and he would be dead. Same for Caiaphas.


A full blown riot would stop the currency exchange and incoming revenue.

So Jesus must have posed a threat or at least a potential threat. Like the old saying goes, “An act of prevention is worth a pound of cure”. A lone rural preacher in Jerusalem during Passover could have hardly posed a threat to the Romans. Jesus must have attracted large enough crowds during his preaching to gain the attention of the Romans and/or Jewish authority’s.

 

[Flankerl]

Well if you run around the Temple screaming at people and throwing stuff through the area you are probably attracting quite a crowd.

 

[outhouse]

A lone rural preacher in Jerusalem during Passover could have hardly posed a threat to the Romans.

It only takes one to incite a riot.

Jesus must have attracted large enough crowds during his preaching to gain the attention of the Romans and/or Jewish authority’s.

Trying to incite a riot to overthrow the temple during Passover, when tensions were high and it was like a powder keg waiting to explode.

Would have landed a teacher healer on the radar, all by himself.


There were half a million people there, he did not bring them there. they were there for Passover.

 

[columbus]

How was Jesus "violent"?

All the Gospels report about is a tiny slice of Jesus' time on earth.

But Judea was rife with violent antiRoman movements. Jesus might never have actually killed for His cause, but you could hardly expect His following to write about it if He had.

Just stirring up trouble amongst the little people would be enough to get the Sanhedrin investigating and then offing Him by reporting the results to Pilate.

Tom

 

[roger1440]

Well if you run around the Temple screaming at people and throwing stuff through the area you are probably attracting quite a crowd.

If Jesus was found guilty only of the so called “cleansing of the Temple” I doubt that would have been sufficient grounds for execution. A few night classes in Anger Management would have done the trick. Something else must have warranted his execution.

 

[metis]

Oh, I do believe that would have been more than enough, especially since the Romans also benefited heavily from the overcharge "tax" collected, along with the brutality of going after anyone that they thought were subversive, or going in that direction. Also, Jesus talking about his "kingdom" certainly would have raised some serious red-flags. Plus remember that Pilate was called back to Rome to account for why he had so many executed.