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German politician says: Ukraine will not win this war

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I suppose it depends on what "winning the war" actually means. I think both sides are going to end up losing, regardless of which side actually "wins." Even if they win, they still lose.
It depends on what one means by losing.
Ukraine lost four regions.
Something has already been lost.

Even the NATO countries have been under financial and economic pressures. Granted, it's not as bad as facing the ravages of war, but some NATO countries seem to be realizing that they can't really afford to finance this indefinitely over the long haul. There has to be an end, one way or the other.
This war has been threatening the safety and the stability of the area. I wish it dealt with economics only.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
I put part of the video description into Google Translate and got this:



Original text:
Ah the double whammy of Pro-Russia in Germany.

What is BSW?

I Googleed but only got Bachelor of Social Work but I don't think you were referring to that
BSW is short for Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht, a new far-left party named after Sahra Wagenknecht a former member of the party Linke/Left.
She's rather notorious, seeing the fall of the USSR and reunification of Germany under West Germany as a huge wrong in history.
As the grip of the Communist SED began to wane in East Germany she joined the party explicitly to try and stop the democratisation of the country.
After reunification she became a prominent figure of the PDS (the new name of the SED) in unified Germany where she led the communist wing of the party.
The PDS ultimately became the Linke/Left which she left one year ago and founded the BSW this year.

The party is vehemently Pro-Russia excusing absolutely everything Russia does.
She's a disgusting human being who doesn't care about Ukrainians one bit and just wants Russia to conquer the country and oppose the West and therefore democracy.
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
It's more likely that I have sex with Leonardo Di Caprio before Christmas,
than Zelensky having some chance to defeat Russia...
Got the concept...now?
;)

Ooohhhh, you mean The Ukraine and Russia are still at war with each other and "The war is over, Russia won" was Russian propaganda that you bought, believed and parroted here on this website. Gotcha
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
She sounds like it
No...she is a real socialist, unlike the so called "European Left of Banksters"...
and she is a pacifist...because war is a forbidden word in Germany.
Yet people dare use this word...and they spit on the German Constitution, article 26.

 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Ooohhhh, you mean The Ukraine and Russia are still at war with each other and "The war is over, Russia won" was Russian propaganda that you bought, believed and parroted here on this website. Gotcha
Zelensky is like Mussolini in 1944...who thought that the war could be won.
 

Eddi

Pantheist Christian
Premium Member
No...she is a real socialist, unlike the so called "European Left of Banksters"...
and she is a pacifist...because war is a forbidden word in Germany.
Yet people dare use this word...and they spit on the German Constitution, article 26.

You do realise that Russia is in no way socialist

The elites in the West can only dream of the vast absolute powers the Russian oligarchs have given themselves at the expense of all others
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
It depends on what one means by losing.
Ukraine lost four regions.
Something has already been lost.

They've also lost a lot of lives over those four regions.

This war has been threatening the safety and the stability of the area. I wish it dealt with economics only.

It's not only economics, but there are also long-term geopolitical costs as well.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You do realise that Russia is in no way socialist

The elites in the West can only dream of the vast absolute powers the Russian oligarchs have given themselves at the expense of all others
I used the word bankers.
It's a clear and unmistakable word.
May I kindly ask you why you didn't use the word? Is it a taboo word for you? :) ;)
 

Eddi

Pantheist Christian
Premium Member
I used the word bankers.
It's a clear and unmistakable word.
May I kindly ask you why you didn't use the word? Is it a taboo word for you? :) ;)
Why do you hate Western finance capitalism but love a system of capitalism that is even worse in Russia?

Seems rather naive to me
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
They've also lost a lot of lives over those four regions. It's not only economics, but there are also long-term geopolitical costs as well.
Indeed. I dare not imagine how the history books will describe this war.
Whether it was necessary or uselessly destructive.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Why do you hate Western finance capitalism
I think that hatred is not enough to describe my repulsion towards those devilish masters. :)

but love a system of capitalism that is even worse in Russia?
I have never claimed that Russia is not Capitalistic. Quite the opposite. Capitalism in Russia is enabling its growth.
What I mean is that Russians are not bowing to those sewer rats that want to seize Russian raw materials...
that is why they hired Kiev to wage a war on the tsar.

Seems rather naive to me
No... there's no either all black or all white vision in politics.

Socialists are for Capitalism. But with limits.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Indeed. I dare not imagine how the history books will describe this war.
Whether it was necessary or uselessly destructive.

It might be viewed in a larger scale in the sense that this is rooted in one of the many loose ends left at the end of the Cold War and the breakup of the Soviet Bloc. Perhaps it's also due to some bad blood from the past, even going back to Tsarist times. I guess they just don't like each other.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It might be viewed in a larger scale in the sense that this is rooted in one of the many loose ends left at the end of the Cold War and the breakup of the Soviet Bloc. Perhaps it's also due to some bad blood from the past, even going back to Tsarist times. I guess they just don't like each other.
In the US history books that's what the most likely description will be.
But in our history books, I believe the NATO expansion and the EU expansion towards East will be deemed as the main cause of the conflict.
 

Eddi

Pantheist Christian
Premium Member
I think that hatred is not enough to describe my repulsion towards those devilish masters. :)


I have never claimed that Russia is not Capitalistic. Quite the opposite. Capitalism in Russia is enabling its growth.
What I mean is that Russians are not bowing to those sewer rats that want to seize Russian raw materials...
that is why they hired Kiev to wage a war on the tsar.


No... there's no either all black or all white vision in politics.

Socialists are for Capitalism. But with limits.
It is ironic how you think you are so aware and such a free thinker yet have swallowed gallons upon gallons of Russian propaganda and work to defend and apologise for the tyrannical regime there
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It is ironic how you think you are so aware and such a free thinker yet have swallowed gallons upon gallons of Russian propaganda and work to defend and apologise for the tyrannical regime there

Wanna know my source? Dimitri Koreshkov...a Russian who lives in Italy.
;)


It's not propaganda. It's source from a person who actually lived there.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
In the US history books that's what the most likely description will be.
But in our history books, I believe the NATO expansion and the EU expansion towards East will be deemed as the main cause of the conflict.

Those relate to some of the other loose ends. It seems to come down to the idea that multiple countries are still mad at Russia over what the Soviet Union did to them, so they thumbed their noses at Russia and joined up with the West. I get that part of it. I would question whether it's wiser to hold a grudge or to just let bygones be bygones, but I guess that's a decision they'll have to make for themselves.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
The party is vehemently Pro-Russia excusing absolutely everything Russia does.
She's a disgusting human being who doesn't care about Ukrainians one bit and just wants Russia to conquer the country and oppose the West and therefore democracy.

So excusing everything any given country does, not caring about the civilians being slaughtered en masse, and wanting another nation to be conquered are disgusting things.

I can agree on that. I do wish more people applied it consistently, though.
 
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