Girl, 6, Handcuffed in school because of temper tantrum.

[Walkntune]

I don't think so. Again, I do not see where anything indicates that this child was involved in a situation deemed to be a medical emergency which threatened life or limb so neither the school or law enforcement has any right in making such decisions. Not to mention that the deputy decided to commit a felony level aggravated battery upon the minor child. Whether these parents were good parents or not is not indicated by the article. If the school felt a 6 year old was that dangerous they should have suspended her for as long as it took to correct the problem. There is no reason to injure a 6 year old child!

I agree and for the child to get from the classroom to the principals office was obviously under some control but probably continuesly provoked.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

And they didnt "put her in a rehab" center the child is at home now with her mother.

Go back to the OP, click the link, and watch the video. The sign on the facility she was committed to clearly describes it as a rehab center.

 

[Walkntune]

Here is whats really sick..this woman had ZERO concern that the 8 month pregnant principle had been struck either by objects being flung at her or by her daughters hand.

Yeah your right. They didn't print this in the article what her concerns were. But facts are facts and she is sick because all they printed was her concerns for her daughter.

 

[Smoke]

Did ya'll notice the mother works at a day care center?

Yeah, and she acknowledges that other people's kids have problems.

 

[DallasApple]

Go back to the OP, click the link, and watch the video. The sign on the facility she was committed to clearly describes it as a rehab center.

That was temporay shelter for a VIOLENT out of control child.She was not "committed".Her parents collected her from that fascility sounds like (if Im not mistaken) when they came to get her the same day..

Where would YOU suggest you put a violent out of control 6 year old?If they had taken her to the police station then the police would be critisized for "arresting a 6 year old".

What were the options?

Are you seriously suggestign she should have been allowed to stay at school for how ever amount of time and tear the **** out of the principles office and attacking people while they stood there with their hands at their sides?

Untill the parents got their and said "thanks" and then dropped her back off the next morning for school?

Love

Dallas

 

[Smoke]

If the parent's were called the call should have included things like, "come and get your child now." While the article is not very detailed there would be no reason for a deputy to haul off a 6 year old to a mental facility with parents already notified and on their way to get the child. Does this sound like a mother that had given any consent for her child to be committed?

1) She wasn't "committed."
2) The school had and has reason to believe the child has mental or emotional problems.
3) If the mental health facility is so objectionable, I suppose they could have taken her instead, to a cell in the county jail.

Not to mention that the deputy decided to commit a felony level aggravated battery upon the minor child.

I'm calling bull---- on this one. Mestemia has repeatedly asked you to substantiate your claim that it is illegal to handcuff a minor, and you've ignored his requests. I'm almost certain that your claim is false, and you've certainly given no reason for anybody to think otherwise.

 

[DallasApple]

Yeah, and she acknowledges that other people's kids have problems.

So what?

The same standards apply..

Saying "other kids have problems too" is not an excuse to ignore the fact your kids have problems ..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

I'm calling bull---- on this one. Mestemia has repeatedly asked you to substantiate your claim that it is illegal to handcuff a minor, and you've ignored his requests. I'm almost certain that your claim is false, and you've certainly given no reason for anybody to think otherwise.

If its illegal to handcuff a minor I feel VERY sorry for cops.

And Im glad Im not an "on duty police officer" when I restrain my 22 month old by the ankles to prevent him from kicking my teeth out when Im trying to change his diaper.

Love

Dallas

 

[Smoke]

So what?

The same standards apply..

Saying "other kids have problems too" is not an excuse to ignore the fact your kids have problems ..

Exactly. I'll bet you a dollar the kids at the daycare she works at don't have problems as serious as her kid's, either, because I don't know of a daycare that would put up with that kind of behavior.

 

[DallasApple]

I'm calling bull---- on this one. Mestemia has repeatedly asked you to substantiate your claim that it is illegal to handcuff a minor, and you've ignored his requests. I'm almost certain that your claim is false, and you've certainly given no reason for anybody to think otherwise.

Apparently the only reason to hand cuff a "minor" is if they might do harm to themselves..**** every one else..

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

She was not "committed".

1) She wasn't "committed."

According to the OP the girl was committed. You two have been making up excuses for the state so long that you forgot what really happened.

1) She wasn't "committed."
2) The school had and has reason to believe the child has mental or emotional problems.
3) If the mental health facility is so objectionable, I suppose they could have taken her instead, to a cell in the country jail.

1 is a lie.
2 is not reason for committing felony level aggravated battery upon a minor.
No matter how you look at 3, both of your "options" are illegal by Florida state statute, as previously quoted. If the child had to be removed from school she should have been returned to her parents. This is not open for interpretation or debate.

"I'm calling bull---- on this one. Mestemia has repeatedly asked you to substantiate your claim that it is illegal to handcuff a minor, and you've ignored his requests. I'm almost certain that your claim is false, and you've certainly given no reason for anybody to think otherwise.

I am sorry I do not have a link to the source on hand. And that may not be Florida's state law. I know I was not allowed to handcuff 6 year olds when I was a police officer, nor would I have felt the need to traumatize a child in that way.

 

[DallasApple]

Exactly. I'll bet you a dollar the kids at the daycare she works at don't have problems as serious as her kid's, either, because I don't know of a daycare that would put up with that kind of behavior.

No they wont..They throw them out..I know..My oldest got tossed out for biting .He was well behaved otherwise but he bit 1 time..then twice then they said he cant come back.

And that was a child under 4.

But hey Im sure this woman (the mother of Haley) is more than happy to have a 6 year old punching her and throwing objects routinely and the parents will not respond to just keep on doing that because its a "girl who only weighs 37 lbs".

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

According to the OP the girl was committed. You two have been making up excuses for the state so long that you forgot what really happened.

How was she "committed" ?

And why would a hospital be in a conspriracy with the police to take a little innocent 6 year old girl who had a temper tantrum out of school and want to "drag her " in handcuffs with police brutality commiting a felony in the process and allow her to be "dumped" at their fascilities?

Are they bored?

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

How was she "committed" ?

And why would a hospital be in a conspriracy with the police to take a little innocent 6 year old girl who had a temper tantrum out of school and want to "drag her " in handcuffs with police brutality commiting a felony in the process and allow her to be "dumped" at their fascilities?

Are they bored?

They get paid by the state per resident. Why not take another when they are dragged in? Not to mention that if they refuse a patient and there is an incident then they are taking liability for those actions.

 

[DallasApple]

Even worse is what happened the next day, Haley's parents said.

And I will ASK this again for the 3rd or 4th time..

WHY would you send your child back to school who had been HANDCUFFED ilegally the next day?

Why woudlnt you hold her out of school and start filing complaints with the chief of police and researching how to get financial aid for your daughters legal rights?

Not to mention looking into getting help for her appparent emotional problems.Which is what LED to this incident..

I will tell you why..THEY didnt want to DEAL with it but they expected EVERYONE else too.

You can not let loose a wild out of control child to wreak havok on society so you can go to work and pretend its not happpening.

Dont complain about your "rights" or your childs "rights"

I have the RIGHT that my child can go to school without being abused or disrupted in his day from a "wild child".I have the RIGHT and so do my children to be able to go to school without the principle having to be beat up and the police called .

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

They get paid by the state per resident. Why not take another when they are dragged in? Not to mention that if they refuse a patient and there is an incident then they are taking liability for those actions.

So now you are going to complain when they dont take a patient in?

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

WHY would you send your child back to school who had been HANDCUFFED ilegally the next day?

Are you saying that if the parents are dumb and make the wrong choices that the child should be battered by police at school?

 

[enchanted_one1975]

So now you are going to complain when they dont take a patient in?

My problem is not with the mental facility/rehab clinic. They were brought a potential patient and they took the patient in. The problem is with her being brought there in the first place and with the method that was used to bring her in.

 

[Circle_One]

Perhaps then, her parents will now learn to discipline the child so she learns not to throw such over dramatic temper tantrums.

 

[Smoke]

The school had tried and failed to interest the parents in discussing the problems with their child. Even after the child was handcuffed, the parents didn't arrange or request a meeting with school personnel. Even now, it seems that they have still not found time to meet with school personnel, although they have somehow found time to talk to the news media. While at school, the child is subject to the control of the principal, who may reasonable force to prevent harm to others. Florida also permits corporal punishment by school personnel.

According to EO, a child who is out of control and violent toward others may not be restrained, may not be arrested and may not be remanded to a mental health facility. If true, this would be ludicrous.

The only possible fault I can find in the school personnel is that this child had not been expelled, suspended, or placed in a special program before this, and that would depend on district policies.

I think the following actions should be taken:

1) This child should immediately be suspended or expelled pending any possible arrangements that might be made for placing her in a special program.

2) The Florida Department of Children and Families should immediately begin an investigation into the fitness of these parents.