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Global Warming | Fact or Fiction?

How do you feel about Global Warming?

  • Global Warming is a myth and the climate will stabilize soon.

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Global Warming is happening but Humanity has nothing to do with it.

    Votes: 8 6.9%
  • Global Warming is happening and Humanity is partly to blame.

    Votes: 41 35.3%
  • Global Warming is happening and Humanity is mostly to blame.

    Votes: 52 44.8%
  • Global Warming is happening and Humanity is the only cause.

    Votes: 8 6.9%
  • Don’t know, don’t care.

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    116

work in progress

Well-Known Member
Let's cut to the chase! The science has been in now for years, if not decades on the risks of allowing greenhouse gas levels to increase. The only difference with the passage of time is that the picture becomes more clear, and CO2 levels are rising faster and climate change is occurring faster than climate models have predicted. And that might be an indication that positive feedback effects, like reduced albedo of Planet Earth and methane release are already occurring.

And when the major funders of global warming denial like Exxon-Mobil presents their CEO - Rex Tillerson to make a speech about how 'global warming might be a serious problem, but we'll adapt' he's not talking about you and me! He's talking about himself and other captains of industry around the world who will have the resources and control of governments around the Arctic Ocean, to make the move...or their children to make the move when the time comes... up north as the Earth becomes too hot to support agriculture and 7 to 10 billion people.

I've mentioned previously about some psychologists who work with psychopathy, and find ominous similarities in the reactions and strategies of Wall Street investors and their patients...but unfortunately don't have access to Jamie Dimond and other big players of casino capitalism. Maybe a lot of these people are nihilists - with no appreciation for the future...especially for future consequences that will occur after they're dead and gone! But there are a few other fringe radical leftists and ecologists besides myself, that have started wondering out loud if what some people have described as the "life boat strategy" to climate change is already in the policy planning stage...and just as with the Titanic, there will not be room in the lifeboats for everyone who wants a seat. This would be where the manic increase in military spending, building fences and internment camps begins to take shape as a coordinated approach to the crisis. All over the world, global warming, changes to weather patterns, famines, wars, religious and tribal conflicts, fences, armed border guards, detention camps, are compartmentalized and presented by the MSM as separate issues. But, as famine spreads from south to north, the numbers of "illegals" will also increase.

At some point, many of those who think they are still living in comfort, will become "illegals" themselves, and find themselves among a migrating mass of people trying desperately to move north to escape droughts and scorching heat. But the doors will be closed and the fences and rows of barbed wire will be armed by guards with automatic weapons with shoot-to-kill orders. Think it can't happen? Try connecting the dots behind what's happening to the world's ecosystems with the awareness that business, industry and government policy analysts have of the damage and the likely consequences, and the lack of a global response to the problem....I'm not talking about Alex Jones or other conspiracy theorists here. Everything you need to know about how the U.S. and other western governments are planning to respond can be found in Gwynn Dyer's book: Climate Wars. The strategy for dealing with climate change and habitat loss, has never been a universal, global effort to try to save as many people as possible. It has been a lifeboat strategy right from the beginning, and most of us will not be able to have access to a "life boat" when the time comes.
 
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Alceste

Vagabond
So, here's a question for those of you who may have voted back when this thread started 8 months ago.

Would you change your vote now or are you still satisfied with your original answer?

And here is a report on how our infrastructure is being affected by the current extreme weather we've been having.

Weather Extremes Leave Parts of U.S. Grid Buckling

Totally satisfied with my original answer. I've been planning my life with the reality of rapid anthropogenic climate change in mind for twenty years.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Louisiana was part of the drought but now we are getting lots of rain, at least in the south part of the state. I guess we're the lucky ones.

The United States is in the midst of the worst drought in decades, and the dry weather and soaring temperatures are taking a toll on people living and working in Ohio west to California and Texas north to the Dakotas. Farmers have watched their corn wither and their cattle go hungry. Homeowners have seen their lawns turn brown and gardens wilt. Communities in the Midwest that rarely experience water shortages have enacted restrictions, and businesses are looking for ways to stay afloat as sales fall off. Here are a few of their stories:

Woe and Opportunity: Tales From Historic Drought

And now for the really scary part.

According to a new study conducted by a research team led by Professor Tom Gleeson of McGill University’s Department of Civil Engineering, many groundwater reservoirs around the world are at severe risk of depletion. The study, described in brief in a McGill press release and published in full in Nature, reported that about 1.7 billion people worldwide live in areas in which groundwater resources and ecosystems dependent on them are at risk.

Scientists: Majority of groundwater reservoirs may run dry in coming years
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Totally satisfied with my original answer. I've been planning my life with the reality of rapid anthropogenic climate change in mind for twenty years.
Ooh! Are you a doomsday prepper? I've been meaning to ingratiate myself to one of those so I have a place to go and some canned beans to eat when the **** hits the fan.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Ooh! Are you a doomsday prepper? I've been meaning to ingratiate myself to one of those so I have a place to go and some canned beans to eat when the **** hits the fan.

We are "doomers", but not the type that is building a bunker and hoarding guns, ammo and non-perishable food items. That's more of an American thing. We are learning to harvest wild food, grow our own food, fish, slaughter chickens and bunnies, build shelter out of whatever is on hand, make our own booze (because otherwise why bother surviving), and various other skills we feel we may need. We moved to a place with lots of water and elbow room, as well as wild food (seafood, deer, rabbits, mushrooms, berries, etc). We've done what we can to better our chances of weathering a food shortage and the spike in social unrest that will accompany spikes in food and fuel prices.

As long as things remain more or less "normal" I would consider myself a member of the transition movement, which maintains the hope that some local communities can become economically self-sufficient before the impact of global warming and water, credit, food and fuel shortage makes our current economic system obsolete.

Of course you can join us if you have something to bring to the table, even if it's just an enthusiasm for shucking oysters and picking blackberries. :)
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I just read on CBC that a report has been issued stating that there is a possinbility that the Arctic will be ice free for at least a day as soon as 2022. I admit, that scares the hell out of me.

Arctic ice could vanish in 10 years, scientists warn - Technology & Science - CBC News

I know there's some alarmist crap out there, but still.
The nations that share the Arctic are already preparing for a new battle over the opened waters. (and if that doesn't tell you that global warming is real nothing will)

There is a fortune to be made in mineral and oil rights to the Arctic ocean floor not to mention lucrative ocean trade routes dreamed of since the search for the "northwest passage" began.

Russia, Canada, the USA and a few other nations are already starting to squabble over who is going to own what.

Battle for the Arctic heats up - Canada - CBC News

wa:do
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Antarctica warmth is nothing special

The ice-filled continent on the southern edge of the planet is indeed warming up, but it isn't the first time.

The Antarctic Peninsula is one of the most quickly warming areas on Earth right now, and as such has become a hotbed for global warming analysis.

But researchers looked back thousands of years and found periods where the peninsula was even warmer than it is today. Its temperature has been cyclical, just like any place on the planet. There have been times of very cold temperatures as well as temperatures warner than today.

This is the biggest point of argument for climate change theories - is the latest string of warming caused by manmade activity or just cyclical changes in the atmosphere?
 

otokage007

Well-Known Member
Global Warming is happening, and humankind is partly to blame. I say "partly" because no human activities can compete with the natural climate cycle. Humans can only "help" this cycle to go faster, or to make it bigger than it is, but I don't think this is enough to say they are "mostly guilty".
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Global Warming is happening, and humankind is partly to blame. I say "partly" because no human activities can compete with the natural climate cycle. Humans can only "help" this cycle to go faster, or to make it bigger than it is, but I don't think this is enough to say they are "mostly guilty".

My thoughts exactly.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Why the Arctic Is Becoming a 'Giant Slushie'

Sea-ice extent grows and retreats with the season every year. While there are significant fluctuations in this cycle from year to year, by the late 1990s satellite measurements indicated there was a strong downward trend in sea-ice extent, said Claire Parkinson a climatologist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

By the end of the 1990s, submarine data showed the ice was thinning as well, Parkinson said.

The old ice, which survives year after year and maintains thicknesses of 10 to 12 feet (3 to 3.6 meters), has been disappearing from the Arctic waters, Meier said. Now, Arctic sea ice has become thinner and is more easily melted or pushed around by storms, he said. "The Arctic Ocean is really a different place than it used to be," he said.

While scientists believe that the Arctic is heading toward nearly ice-free summers, it's not clear when those will arrive. Natural variability means the declines could see lulls and spikes, and scientists aren't certain how the unusual melt in 2007 and 2012 fit into this path, Meier said.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
This is a huge problem for the Inuit and other arctic native peoples who rely on the sea ice for survival. People have been needing more frequent rescue as sea ice carries hunters further and faster away from the shore and any settlements. What were routine trips are becoming more and more hazardous.

And that means getting food is getting harder.

wa:do
 

otokage007

Well-Known Member
Also a problem for these:

images
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
This has been mentioned a time or two here.

Antarctic Methane: A New Factor in the Climate Equation

Climate scientists have long fretted about the hundreds of billions of tons of methane frozen under the floor of the Arctic Ocean. If the water warms enough, some of that methane could escape. Nobody knows how soon or how quickly such a release might happen, but since methane is a far more potent heat-trapping gas than the more familiar carbon dioxide, it could add to the temperature increase already under way thanks largely to human emissions from fossil fuel burning.

But frozen Arctic methane turns out to be just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak. According to a paper released Wednesday in Nature, there could be just as much methane trapped on the opposite side of the planet, under Antarctica’s vast ice sheets.

“It’s very hard to say what the effect would be if it were released,” said lead author Jemma Wadham, of the University of Bristol, in an interview. “And it’s hard to say when it might happen, and where. But there is potential for a release, for sure.”
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Now that we've (probably) missed our chance to prevent the critical 2 degree rise I've decided not to care. I do hope that the success that the energy companies have had through misinformation, obfuscation, and repetition is noted and we learn something useful.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Now that we've (probably) missed our chance to prevent the critical 2 degree rise I've decided not to care. I do hope that the success that the energy companies have had through misinformation, obfuscation, and repetition is noted and we learn something useful.
No more than we did with the tobacco companies... or the rail road companies before them and the East India company before them, and so on.

We seem doomed to forever forget the lesson of unchecked mercantilism.

wa:do
 
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