Many of those messengers are possibly mythical. Baha'is don't believe the stories written about them. All they have is Baha'u'llah saying they were real. Yes, when have I ever doubted that all you have is the word of your messenger when he says that all those other messengers were real. In other words, for those that don't believe that Baha'u'llah is a real messenger from God, there is no "evidence" that the others are real.
Good morning CG - Today the 18th is the Birth of the Bab, tomorrow the 19th is the Birth of Baha'u'llah the Twin holy days. I wish you all the best on these very special days for Baha'i.
I came across this last night, it is some time since I had read this book, I wish I had read it more now
The Promised Day Is Come | Bahá’í Reference Library
This is the Section called
'The Continuity of Revelation' and Shoghi Effendi has offered this, to which any Baha'i should consider deeply in any rely they choose to give;
"The Faith standing identified with the name of Bahá’u’lláh disclaims any intention to belittle any of the Prophets gone before Him, to whittle down any of their teachings, to obscure, however slightly, the radiance of their Revelations, to oust them from the hearts of their followers, to abrogate the fundamentals of their doctrines, to discard any of their revealed Books, or to suppress the legitimate aspirations of their adherents. Repudiating the claim of any religion to be the final revelation of God to man, disclaiming finality for His own Revelation, Bahá’u’lláh inculcates the basic principle of the relativity of religious truth, the continuity of Divine Revelation, the progressiveness of religious experience. His aim is to widen the basis of all revealed religions and to unravel the mysteries of their scriptures. He insists on the unqualified recognition of the unity of their purpose, restates the eternal verities they enshrine, coordinates their functions, distinguishes the essential and the authentic from the nonessential and spurious in their teachings, separates the God-given truths from the priest-prompted superstitions, and on this as a basis proclaims the possibility, and even prophecies the inevitability, of their unification, and the consummation of their highest hopes.............."
This book does not hold back, it is a masterpiece, Shoghi Effendi quotes Baha'u'llah often and it lays out the Faith from the beginning, the warnings given and the future we face.
It would be a challenging book for a Christian of Muslim to read, but in the light of the above comment, all should. They one and all would face great personal conflicts.
My question is that where does he get his evidence? He makes up his own stories about Krishna, Adam, Noah and Abraham. Where did he get those stories? From God or is he getting it from non-Biblical writings?
Baha'u'llah (Glory of God) is the source of all knowledge to the material world. There is numerous writings available as to how this Revelation flowed from Baha'ullah's lips and Pen for hours on end that no secretary could keep up with
".....When Bahá’u’lláh returned to Baghdád, His Kurdish admirers followed. The sight of ‘ulamá and Ṣúfí shaykhs flocking to visit Bahá’u’lláh astonished the religious leaders of the city, who also began to seek His presence—and became enthralled. Their esteem for Him in turn attracted others, from poets and mystics to government officials, and further spread His fame.
This period, Shoghi Effendi tells us, saw an “enormous expansion in the scope and volume of Bahá’u’lláh’s writings ... The verses that streamed during those years from His pen, described as ‘a copious rain’ by Himself, whether in the form of epistles, exhortations, commentaries, apologies, dissertations, prophecies, prayers, odes or specific Tablets” revivified and transformed the Bábí community. It was a period so prolific that, on average, the unrecorded verses He would reveal in a single day and night equalled in number those of the Qur’án. “As to those verses which He either dictated or wrote Himself, their number was no less remarkable than either the wealth of material they contained, or the diversity of subjects to which they referred.”
So in one 24 hour period, Baha'u'llah at that time was revealing (unrecorded) verses equivalent to the size of the Quran, let alone what was managed to be recorded. No learning needed, no references needed, no prior thought needed. This has many things written about how revelation came and how during this revelation people would enter with questions, forget what they were going to ask in their astonishment of the revelation, only to find their question answered some time later during the talk.
Oh, and even with your little "Do you understand" type of things you say, do you mean them in a respectful way? Or, is that your way of saying, "What's a matter with you? Are you dense or something?"
I see Trailblazer means no disrespect, I do see years of frustration welling within our souls, but that is our flaw CG. If what is being offered is what it is, then you may see the frustration had some merit. In saying that, frustration is only good if it enables to turn it into action.
Regards Tony
Why not just accept that you will never believe in God or Baha'u'llah, or go looking somewhere else for answers, or just do as most atheists do, settle for being an atheist and enjoy the only life you believe you have?
