Not a "strawman" - using a logical fallacy comes along with the idea that you are being intellectually remiss. It just does. What else would you call it? Someone just "made a logical mistake?" Same thing.
I said
if you assert that is the true that would be an argument from ignorance. I did not say that you were asserting that is true. For the record, I do not think that you are intellectually remiss.
And do you think I care that you think I am being intellectually remiss? I do not. All I care about in this conversation is that you don't further fool yourself. I try to stomp that crap out every time and in every place I see it.
You do not know that I am fooling myself. You have a personal opinion and that is all you have.
And from my perspective and in my experience, there are no consequences to my life. None that can be tied "god" or any idea surrounding him/her/it. I am a godless heathen, with all sorts of my own ideas, completely lacking in belief and failing at every turn to respect or even acknowledge "god." If this sort of behavior comes with consequences, I haven't seen them.
You raise some very valid points. I do not doubt that you do not
see them in this life and you probably will not
see them in this life, because that is how God set it up, but I believe you will
see them in the afterlife, because that is the world of lights where everything becomes clear. I do not know what you will see; only God knows that. It is even possible you will remain in the dark.
Or if I have, then God works at them in secret - which is a pretty lousy and underhanded way to punish someone. If He/She/It is doing that, then he/she/it had better keep me in the dark about it (like he/she/it would have had to have already been doing), otherwise my judgment would ultimately be that this "god" is evil, conniving and malicious.
God does not work in the dark, God gives us fair warning of the consequences to our actions. Otherwise God would not be just. But if people do not HEED the warning it is not God’s fault.
But here again, YOU don't know that psychopathic, alien clowns aren't the source of all of the problems in your life, and that they are secretly watching you and punishing you whenever you do anything they don't agree with. You can't KNOW that this isn't the case. So, I claim that this is what is happening, and you deny this or even just assume that it isn't, then are you guilty of using an "argument from ignorance?" I mean... how silly do you want to get here?
There is no reason to
believe that alien clowns are the source of all of the problems in my life, and that they are secretly watching me and punishing me whenever i do anything they don't agree with
because there is no evidence that alien clowns exist, but there is reason to believe that God is watching over me because there is evidence that God exists… I mean... how
silly do you want to get here?
Unfortunately, if you're talking about "god and consequences" in any capacity, then the threat is there, whether you realize it or not.
Do you mean because God is omnipotent? Yes, there could be consequences, but name me one thing in life that does not have consequences… The question is what those consequences will be. But as my mom used to tell me, if you don’t like the heat get out of the kitchen. Unfortunately, we cannot get out of the kitchen and avoid the heat,
IF God exists, because there will be consequences for believing or not believing, but I really do not know what the consequences of not believing will be; I only know the consequences of believing.
But you keep saying things like: "You don't know that there aren't any consequences... there might be!" - if you have no investment in the idea, and you "don't know," then why would you ever be pushing for people to start worrying about "consequences?" Why? It is just so strange! If you don't know, then don't go around "warning" (i.e. threatening) people about consequences. What is wrong with you?
I was not warning or threatening, so let’s get that straight right now. I was saying
there might be consequences but I do not KNOW what they will be because only God knows….
Okay, I will lay my cards on the table…I
believe there will be consequences but I do not know exactly what they will be. All I have to go by are religious scriptures and they do not specify the consequences for nonbelievers. I am not a Christian so I do not believe in a literal hell.
Now I will tell you a little secret. I care about people so I care about the possible fate of atheists, not now, but later. You might think that sounds condescending, but it is sincere, because I believe that there is an afterlife.
I have been posting almost exclusively to atheists on various forums 24/7 for over seven years, and I do not do it for entertainment because I am quite well off, so I could be doing any number of other things with my time. I spent almost seven years posting to one particular atheist almost every day even though he never budged from his original position. A few months ago, he suddenly disappeared and I asked a friend on my forum to find out if he is okay. I have not yet heard back.
Those are consequences of the alien clowns watching over you. I am telling you... YOU DON'T KNOW that they aren't out there, doing this. Don't commit the sin of making an argument from ignorance by denying that this is the case. Do you see what I am saying?
I do see what you are saying, but I do not agree that alien clowns are comparable to God, and besides, my battles have nothing to do with God, and I would have them with or without God. My whole life has been a battle, but I have had one kind of battle for over 20 years. I almost lost the battle about six years ago, and that is when I decided to let God on board. It has been an uphill battle, but at least now I am not fighting it alone.
You dropped a name, and it was in response to my passing judgment on what you were presenting that you apparently agree with or thought was profound or should persuade someone to think more like you do. So, to give your argument more credence, you dropped in "Baha'u'llah." Why does it matter who said it, if it is the truth? Why? It apparently matters to you.
It really does not matter to me what I said or why I said it. Every day is a new day and I try to start fresh. The most important thing for me is that I am honest and that I don’t offend anyone and that apologize if I did, because I cannot always know what will offend people until I find out later. So I am sorry if I offended you with my “argument from ignorance” dialogue because now I can understand how it might have sounded.
