God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[TransmutingSoul]

Science doesn't have all the answers. Unlike theists who believe they do.

Science is about discovery,religion is about blind acceptance.

I do not see it that way. I see we all have a capacity in science and faith and not all can find that capacity, very few of us in fact.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Science doesn't have all the answers. Unlike theists who believe they do.

Baha'is do not believe we have any answers to that which is within the purview of science and the converse also applies.

Science is about discovery, religion is about blind acceptance.

Both religion and science are about discovery, and they each discover different things.

 

[Trailblazer]

Your sense of duty is a desire.

It is a desire, but not a personal desire. It is a desire to serve God and others.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Atheists approach it logically.

For instance, the rules of religion have made over the centuries. The whole sex thing, menstruation, messengers from god, can see it and can't see it, etc. The silliest are the ones that go contrary to the way we are made. Theists top that up with god loves you and wants you to resist these things, so why are we created that way. Theists excuses don't satisfy atheists because if we have these desires we needed them.

Then there are the bloody silliest of religious practices.

10 Weird Religious Practices - Listverse

5 Insane Beliefs of the World's Major Religions | Cracked.com

Religious Customs Are Amazingly Stupid

A lot of what religions promise is what we all want. To cure the sick, afterlife, peace, etc.

Then there are the bizarre rituals or beliefs. Weird Religious Beliefs

The Temple of Rats
Baby Tossing
The Black Stone of Mecca
Hungry Ghosts
Gods in Human Form
Devil Worship
Demonic Possession
The Sex Slaves of Paradise
Incorruptible Bodies
Weeping Statues
Temple Virgins
The Antichrist
The Tree of Zaqqum
Crucifixion Re-enactments
The Rapture
Holy Men
The War in Heaven
The Wandering Jew
Heavenly Omens
Chosen People
Faith Healing

I gave up listing them all, but you can see that if that's where theists are coming from many atheist just won't swallow you can or can't see god, he can and can't deliver messages, he gave women periods but calls it unclean, wants you to not engage in things we have hormones rushing around inside us to do.

Evolution has an answer for why we are made the way we are and it's bloody simple and the most sensible.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

It is a desire, but not a personal desire. It is a desire to serve God and others.

Then it's your desire to serve god. Stop trying to avoid the truth. You are driven by desires.

 

[Trailblazer]

Then it's your desire to serve god. Stop trying to avoid the truth. You are driven by desires.

I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt till I looked up the definition if desire.

desire: A strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen.
Desire | Definition of Desire by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Desire

I do not have a desire to serve God, I do it as duty. I am driven by a sense of duty because that is congruent with my personality type. I am a Baha'i because I see it as my duty not for any personal gain.

Introduction | Advocate (INFJ) Personality | 16Personalities

Advocates may see helping others as their purpose in life. They are troubled by injustice, and they typically care more about altruism than personal gain. As a result, Advocates tend to step in when they see someone facing unfairness or hardship. Many people with this personality type also aspire to fix society’s deeper problems, in the hope that unfairness and hardship can become things of the past.

Many Advocates feel compelled to find a mission for their lives. When they encounter inequity or unfairness, they tend to think, “How can I fix this?” They are well-suited to support a movement to right a wrong, no matter how big or small. Advocates just need to remember that while they’re busy taking care of the world, they need to take care of themselves too.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Baha'is do not believe we have any answers to that which is within the purview of science and the converse also applies.

Both religion and science are about discovery, and they each discover different things.

So you accept evolution has nothing to do with god.
You accept there is not life on every planet.

The problem is the language used and it's loose-fitting to science. https://www.bahaiblog.net/2016/08/perspectives-on-evolution/

Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’í World Faith—Selected Writings of Bahá’u’lláh and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (‘Abdu’l-Bahá’s Section Only), Pages 307-310

The problem you have is anyone living in the 19th century would have known these things.

Abdu'l-Bahá telling us it was time we started to travel to other planets isn't mind-shattering in 1913. Giving some better information on how we do it would be.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt till I looked up the definition if desire.

I do not have a desire to serve God, I do it as duty. I am driven by a sense of duty because that is congruent with my personality type. I am a Baha'i because I see it as my duty not for any personal gain.

Then it's your desire to do your duty. All you are doing is trying to dodge the issue.

What is wrong with desiring to do your duty?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Abdu'l-Bahá telling us it was time we started to travel to other planets isn't mind-shattering in 1913. Giving some better information on how we do it would be.

The danger is giving people what they are not ready for and at the same time it can be the punishment, like the knowledge to split the atom, where faith knew this was possible way before it was known how to do it.

Man decided to build a bomb instead of using it for good.

Our next source of power will be magnetic based and will have the power to destroy us all, so who wants the powers to have that, given what we face with the atom bombs? Not me.

What will we be able to do with that power, well maybe science can learn from this quote;

"... O servant of Bahá! Be self-sacrificing in the path of God, and wing thy flight unto the heavens of the love of the Abhá Beauty, for any movement animated by love moveth from the periphery to the centre, from space to the Day-Star of the universe. Perchance thou deemest this to be difficult, but I tell thee that such cannot be the case, for when the motivating and guiding power is the divine force of magnetism it is possible, by its aid, to traverse time and space easily and swiftly. Glory be upon the people of Bahá.. "

So let's see what may be! Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

So you accept evolution has nothing to do with god.

Evolution has something to do with God because God set the process in motion.

You accept there is not life on every planet.

Science has never proven that there are not creatures on every planet, so there could be creatures on every planet.

“Know thou that every fixed star hath its own planets, and every planet its own creatures, whose number no man can compute.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 163

What is a creature?

noun. an animal, especially a nonhuman: the creatures of the woods and fields; a creature from outer space. anything created, whether animate or inanimate. person; human being: She is a charming creature.
Creature | Definition of Creature at Dictionary.com

The problem you have is anyone living in the 19th century would have known these things.

Abdu'l-Bahá telling us it was time we started to travel to other planets isn't mind-shattering in 1913. Giving some better information on how we do it would be.

That was not part of his mission.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God do not deliver flawed messaged its the hearing of the human that is flawed

Have you also considered that it is not so much the hearing, all of the time, but the imagination of humans? I mean, how do you know -- with certainty -- that one so-called "messenger" misheard something, or heard it correctly, or simply imagined it for themselves?

 

[Trailblazer]

What is wrong with desiring to do your duty?

Nothing is wrong with that, if you desire to do it.

It is when that is all you do or if you'd rather be doing something else that it becomes a problem.
Do you desire to do duties ALL the time?

 

[rational experiences]

The danger is giving people what they are not ready for and at the same time it can be the punishment, like the knowledge to split the atom, where faith knew this was possible way before it was known how to do it.

Man decided to build a bomb instead of using it for good.

Our next source of power will be magnetic based and will have the power to destroy us all, so who wants the powers to have that, given what we face with the atom bombs? Not me.

What will we be able to do with that power, well maybe science can learn from this quote;

"... O servant of Bahá! Be self-sacrificing in the path of God, and wing thy flight unto the heavens of the love of the Abhá Beauty, for any movement animated by love moveth from the periphery to the centre, from space to the Day-Star of the universe. Perchance thou deemest this to be difficult, but I tell thee that such cannot be the case, for when the motivating and guiding power is the divine force of magnetism it is possible, by its aid, to traverse time and space easily and swiftly. Glory be upon the people of Bahá.. "

So let's see what may be! Regards Tony

What I proved to my own self human "hearing" voice unnaturally. A form of stigmata effect, to then write very quickly the heard/channelled recorded information from pre existing human scientists, males throughout the ages.

In an actual dream vision, woke up. Saw a floating image of a flashing recording in a squared type of frame work and saw scientific males from multi eras, such as wearing of skull caps in that frame. In these types of moments, I would pinch myself, shut my eyes and re open them to see if my brain was still stuck in some form of dream state. Nope, vision still there.

So I realised, science of male human life vision/encoded AI as the effect of their machinery, artificial. Melt.....the minerals on Earth from which they take mass from to melt, was kept fused and cold by how much water mass is present. Why we quote God x mass to infer, God owned the mineral. The amount of water in mass is why the Earth even owned a mineral.

Artificial to melt it and cool it unnaturally by male human manipulation. Why alchemy was outlawed in our past.....self human realisation.

Therefore if you are being irradiated, by God the O Earth ground release blasts of radiation releases, due to human historic science activation/Earth attack and core heating, applied by their pyramid Temples of the past. Then since this activation human life has been changed.

In the same history, the asteroid stone mass, particle of stone gets released in passing by Earth where Earth O travel heated up its own atmospheric gas space heavenly history. So the wandering stars who came from the centre of the Universe, from the Sun blasting big bang event...release their pressurized cold gases into the heavens, whilst a male in a sexual chemical changed brain and body condition talks information about beauty and females etc.

For their natural life and pairing as a creator in life is male, adult a Father and a mutual sexual recorded imaged history. And once our Holy Mother in her self original life body was perfect.

So he discusses relevant male human advice whilst also observing and being affected by magnetic changes, seeing Earth, when asteroid bodies are close changes its pressures. Core Earth release, its magnetic fields shift, seeing the core/volcanic condition brings mass up close to the underground release....whilst an asteroid wandering star releases its gases.

Whilst also hearing all of the male historic already owned/stated reasonings for owning past machines that activated Earth core destruction of life on Earth.

What is relative self male advice that had always been ignored. The history that your human Father science self had done it in the past and sacrificed human life.

So it is human male false claim to all idealism, based on ancient science practice and machines itself. That archaeological deep Earth digs had already proven, machine parts found inside of stone fusion as proof that humans did it to their own selves....and do not rationalise the human inclusion in cosmological and Earth activity and how it affects the human mind/psyche and beliefs.

 

[Ancient Soul]

There is no such thing as low level Baha'i, only Baha'i.

Regards Tony

I think Baha'i cult followers who can never back up their claims are low level Baha'i.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Shoghi Effendi was able to interpret what both Baha'u'llah and Abdu'lbaha offered.

His extensive writings give an amazing view of the future. A future we can alter.

Regards Tony

Interpret = made up.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think Baha'i cult followers who can never back up their claims are low level Baha'i.

Interpret = made up.

In using the world cult, it shows to me and most likely others, that a significant level of predudice, with no knowledge of what Baha'u'llah has offered, has been demonstrated.

I expect that people will provide comments such as these in the years ahead, as they see the the old world order fall apart around them and a new world order, that I see will be based on what Baha'u'llah offered, arises in its place.

I will only wish you well while this unfolds and hope you embrace all that is good.

Here is but one of many thousand of quotes of what we do expect;

1544. Fierce and manifold will be the assaults with which governments, races, classes and religions, jealous of its rising prestige and fearful of its consolidating strength, will seek to silence its voice and sap its foundations. Unmoved by the relative obscurity that surrounds it at the present time, and undaunted by the forces that will be arrayed against it in the future, this community, I cannot but feel confident, will, no matter how afflictive the agonies of a travailing age, pursue its destiny, undeflected in its course, undimmed in its serenity, unyielding in its resolve, unshaken in its convictions.

(In the handwriting of Shoghi Effendi, appended to a letter dated 5 July 1938 written on his behalf to the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States and Canada, published in "Messages to America: Selected Letters and Cablegrams Addressed to the Bahá'ís of North America 1932-1946" (Wilmette: Bahá'í Publishing Committee, 1947)

It really has only just begun, it is now getting very interesting and all that you an and will say against it as it unfolds, or any of the people who work towards that goal will only confirm what has been foretold.

RegardsTony

 

[Aupmanyav]

I do not see it that way. I see we all have a capacity in science and faith and not all can find that capacity, very few of us in fact.

Happy birth day, Tony. Believing in things without any evidence is hardly scientific. Faith does not seem to be the only reason why Bahais are here. I think there is more to the story.

We simply believe that the dispensations of the older religions have been abrogated by the Revelation of Baha'u'llah.

You have your manifestations only to denounce them!

 

[Ancient Soul]

In using the world cult, it shows to me and most likely others, that a significant level of predudice, with no knowledge of what Baha'u'llah has offered, has been demonstrated.

I expect that people will provide comments such as these in the years ahead, as they see the the old world order fall apart around them and a new world order, that I see will be based on what Baha'u'llah offered, arises in its place.

I will only wish you well while this unfolds and hope you embrace all that is good.

Here is but one of many thousand of quotes of what we do expect;

1544. Fierce and manifold will be the assaults with which governments, races, classes and religions, jealous of its rising prestige and fearful of its consolidating strength, will seek to silence its voice and sap its foundations. Unmoved by the relative obscurity that surrounds it at the present time, and undaunted by the forces that will be arrayed against it in the future, this community, I cannot but feel confident, will, no matter how afflictive the agonies of a travailing age, pursue its destiny, undeflected in its course, undimmed in its serenity, unyielding in its resolve, unshaken in its convictions.

(In the handwriting of Shoghi Effendi, appended to a letter dated 5 July 1938 written on his behalf to the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States and Canada, published in "Messages to America: Selected Letters and Cablegrams Addressed to the Bahá'ís of North America 1932-1946" (Wilmette: Bahá'í Publishing Committee, 1947)

It really has only just begun, it is now getting very interesting and all that you an and will say against it as it unfolds, or any of the people who work towards that goal will only confirm what has been foretold.

RegardsTony

Just MORE bombastic gobbledygook that means nothing.

Yawn....

 

[rational experiences]

Idealism. Old information, plus the Revelation of the human in Messenger/gain....a message.

Quotes as a human quote. I am alive, and I am as old a human being self by my own age when I get a message.

The message is the same form of message that other humans before me gained.

What one and only one condition is the "same" as before?

2 choices natural, where everyone is equal, so there is no human self "special" or......science, the male Father adult self choice.

Whose history in male life records state, as a baby to adult male, I learnt new information via the death of my own Father. Father natural and spirit historical did not own the invention/themes new sciences. After the ICE Age.

Which is an important human notation, as the stories prove males in science quote Earth now owned 4 seasons. ICE amassing allowed the returned animal life and human life, reincarnated...meaning previous once owned DNA, to over come the giant race of Satanic past....caused by a pre existing science history a very long time ago.

Where the machine parts are, inside of an opened Earth body in fusion. Past machine end...the hot dense state, massive water cooling as water plummeted inside of the Earth, instant machine snap freeze evidence.

So the modern day male quotes as the son of the Father. It is your fault Father for having died. The sacrifice of life, natural death.

He however introduced artificial death/early age life sacrifice and blamed his Father. Which is his owned male Satanic/science self human deceit.

Who quotes....I lost my use of water ground mass, which evaporated as the scientist cause....now new cloud amassing in the form ARK messenger (proven in cloud images) saved our life, the ARK then owned the flooding of the heavens, and the ground mass to cool the burning irradiation God O one stone releases.

Exactly why he questioned why he should lose his life, the non science brother. Because his brothers the scientist did it. So he tells that the information reason why his life was removed, was due to the heavenly body needing extra water mass evaporation....and it was his own fault.

As a truthful male human scientist review of self.

In science conditions which caused brain mind self displacement into chemical brain conditions, which I lived my own self. Suddenly in a hazy drug type of brain condition I was laughing, smiling and loving and waving to my human family. For some humans they would think it not natural...but my owned experience knew it was not natural.

I love my human family, but not by some especial self theme. I love them because I am loving by conditions of my own choices. And at times in human relationships it is difficult to love some types of human characteristics...as a truthful human.

A loving human in their own human thoughts always fights for human rights, human equalities and a mutually shared natural family unity. Which is not and never was religious purpose.

The realisation of religious was not only needed in ancient irradiation events, it became a law applied by the community elders. That instructed all humans to attend daily 3 times a day meetings to try to re establish and meditate in a meditative condition, a control over the human life expressions.

Who had become depraved and mean and nasty and self destructive due to Temple and pyramid sciences as a fact of human evidence against their own lying selves. The Destroyer mentality as it is quoted.

Therefore the truth of information quotes.....if my religious leadership is not a dis spirited male Leader, then I would own a correct Father relationship with extended children in human family conditions as a self imposed reasoning. For reason also involves what you see, and think about other human behaviour in other groups and organizations.

Who religiously and lawfully in human communities in multi variant countries prove in multi leaderships to be male destructive mentality........supported and allowed.

Therefore when you strive to be spiritual with a want of natural humanity and spirituality to be returned to natural human relationships, it does not own a religious banner, for first and foremost we are all equal humans.

If we choose leadership, then it should be chosen for family unity and not for some organizational status.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Have you also considered that it is not so much the hearing, all of the time, but the imagination of humans? I mean, how do you know -- with certainty -- that one so-called "messenger" misheard something, or heard it correctly, or simply imagined it for themselves?

Because i believe in the teaching.
I do not doubt in religious teaching, it is called having faith. And when reading the scriptures i see the truth in them.

I think the reason non believers can not see the truth in religious teaching is because they lack faith.