God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm talking about writing it down.

Both the promise, and the neglect of that promise are recorded.

Man's reaction to the promise is recorded.

Read what Shoghi Effendi has written about the lack of response to the Message given. I see the future humanity will find it hard to compute our lack of response and the choices made.

Regards Tony

 

[night912]

Since 84 percent of the world population has a faith and very few of those people want to or are willing to relinquish that faith that is the MAIN reason why only a few people recognize a new Messenger when He appears on earth.

That's what you believe. You said there's evidence but failed to provide any.
No evidence = just an assertion

And I'm not talking about the 85%. I'm referring to your claim...."very few of those people want to or are willing to relinquish that faith that is the MAIN reason why only a few people recognize a new Messenger when He appears on earth."

I said that evidence can be found on this forum, but I never said that the evidence cannot be found anywhere else.

I never said that you said that. What you're doing is taking the comments in here and and else where, and convinced yourself that those comments represent the majority of that 85%. Taking such a small amount of opinion and believing that the majority of people from the 85% also think the same, is an irrational way of thinking.

The evidence that people are unwilling to relinquish their beliefs and recognize a new Messenger is simply that they don’t do so. If they did so, then the Baha’i Faith would not be only .12% of the world population. Of course there are other reasons why there are not more Baha’is in the world. Here are some of those reasons:

Provide your evidence that show that all those people have heard of the Baha’i Faith. How many people in China, USA, India, Russia, just to name a few countries with a large population.

I was religious when I was younger, now I'm irreligious, but I don't go around claiming that all or the majority of irreligious people are the same and/or have that same experience.

 

[Ancient Soul]

Yes. But as you well know, Baha'is jump right in and say they are the only true religion from God, right now. The others were okay and true in their day, until their followers screwed them up, but now is the time to turn to the Baha'i prophet who has brought the teachings from God that will fix the world's problems. Should we trust him and believe him?

LOL!

I've noticed that also. The Baha'is are just as adamant as the Christians, Muslims, JWs, etc, etc, etc.. that THEIR religion has it "right" and all the others have it "wrong". And why? Because THEIR book says so, so that PROVES that everybody else (Their respective religion.) has it all wrong!!!

But also like all the other religious beliefs, their so-called messenger from a "god" speaks in bombastic gobbledygook meant to bedazzle and fool people into thinking it means something grand or "spiritual", but it lacks substance. Then also like all the other religions, it's up to other men to make up some alleged meaning to all the bombastic gobbledygook, and all the followers blindly follow what they are told it means, while never seeing that it really says no such things.

So that's the long answer. The short answer to your question is NO.

 

[Ancient Soul]

God does not send any "messengers" to give people his "word". If he did, ALL religions would be EXACTLY the same.

All these so-called "messengers" are just just cult leaders who always speak in bombastic gobbledygook meant to bedazzle people into thinking there is "something spiritual" hidden in there, but there NEVER is.

Besides, God always imparts his answers to my spiritual questions in a clear, concise, and all encompassing manner. So I will NEVER believe the true God had anything to do with all those insane train-wreck religions based upon any of these so-called "messengers. They can ONLY have come from the addled minds of MAN.

 

[Trailblazer]

New God does not send any "messengers" to give people his "word". If he did, ALL religions would be EXACTLY the same.

That is so illogical I can barely breathe.....
There is no reason why all the religions would be exactly the same.
Why would God reveal a new religion that was exactly the same as the one he revealed before? What would be the point?

“And now concerning thy question regarding the nature of religion. Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 81

 

[night912]

LOL!

I've noticed that also. The Baha'is are just as adamant as the Christians, Muslims, JWs, etc, etc, etc.. that THEIR religion has it "right" and all the others have it "wrong". And why? Because THEIR book says so, so that PROVES that everybody else (Their respective religion.) has it all wrong!!!

But also like all the other religious beliefs, their so-called messenger from a "god" speaks in bombastic gobbledygook meant to bedazzle and fool people into thinking it means something grand or "spiritual", but it lacks substance. Then also like all the other religions, it's up to other men to make up some alleged meaning to all the bombastic gobbledygook, and all the followers blindly follow what they are told it means, while never seeing that it really says no such things.

So that's the long answer. The short answer to your question is NO.

You're forgetting that Baha'i teachings teach that one should not take its teachings as the truth blindly, rather, one should do their own research and come to their own truth.

To better understand the true teachings of the Baha'i Faith regarding your own truth

Spoiler: Your own truth

Your own truth means that your belief in the teachings of the Baha'i Faith must be sincere and genuine. If it is not, then it is not the truth. Whether or not the stuff you believe in are true, it's irrelevant.

 

[Ancient Soul]

God does not send any "messengers" to give people his "word". If he did, ALL religions would be EXACTLY the same.

All these so-called "messengers" are just just cult leaders who always speak in bombastic gobbledygook meant to bedazzle people into thinking there is "something spiritual" hidden in there, but there NEVER is.

Besides, God always imparts his answers to my spiritual questions in a clear, concise, and all encompassing manner. So I will NEVER believe the true God had anything to do with all those insane train-wreck religions based upon any of these so-called "messengers. They can ONLY have come from the addled minds of MAN.

That is so illogical I can barely breathe.....
There is no reason why all the religions would be exactly the same.
Why would God reveal a new religion that was exactly the same as the one he revealed before? What would be the point?

“And now concerning thy question regarding the nature of religion. Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 81

Ha, ha, ha...

I find it sad that logic makes you so unable to breath.

And thanks for proving some proof of my statement that:

"All these so-called "messengers" are just just cult leaders who always speak in bombastic gobbledygook meant to bedazzle people into thinking there is "something spiritual" hidden in there, but there NEVER is."

With your bombastic gobbledygook quote from " the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh".

So to YOU, "logic" is for your "god" to send all these so-called "messengers" who all speak in various forms of bombastic gobbledygook so that ALL of their religions make no sense within themselves or to all the other senseless religions that allegedly came form other so-called messengers?

And actually, from my communicating with others of my spiritual level on the Internet, we for the most part ARE in accord in our spiritual beliefs because they came DIRECTLY from God. And that includes they all disbelieve that ANY of these religions have anything to do with any "god", but could ONLY have come from the addled minds of MAN.

 

[Ancient Soul]

You're forgetting that Baha'i teachings teach that one should not take its teachings as the truth blindly, rather, one should do their own research and come to their own truth.

To better understand the true teachings of the Baha'i Faith regarding your own truth

Spoiler: Your own truth

Your own truth means that your belief in the teachings of the Baha'i Faith must be sincere and genuine. If it is not, then it is not the truth. Whether or not the stuff you believe in are true, it's irrelevant.

I would like to see the source to back up your claim.

Besides, even if it does state such a thing, none of the followers do that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Ha, ha, ha...

I find it sad that logic makes you so unable to breath.

And thanks for proving some proof of my statement that:

"All these so-called "messengers" are just just cult leaders who always speak in bombastic gobbledygook meant to bedazzle people into thinking there is "something spiritual" hidden in there, but there NEVER is."

With your bombastic gobbledygook quote from " the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh".

So to YOU, "logic" is for your "god" to send all these so-called "messengers" who all speak in various forms of bombastic gobbledygook so that ALL of their religions make no sense within themselves or to all the other senseless religions that allegedly came form other so-called messengers?

And actually, from my communicating with others of my spiritual level on the Internet, we for the most part ARE in accord in our spiritual beliefs because they came DIRECTLY from God. And that includes they all disbelieve that ANY of these religions have anything to do with any "god", but could ONLY have come from the addled minds of MAN.

I have changed a lot since you were last on this forum so I have no need to defend my beliefs or comment upon yours, although if I see attacks on the Baha'i Faith I will respond since Baha'u'llah enjoined me with that responsibility.

“Warn, O Salmán, the beloved of the one true God, not to view with too critical an eye the sayings and writings of men. Let them rather approach such sayings and writings in a spirit of open-mindedness and loving sympathy. Those men, however, who, in this Day, have been led to assail, in their inflammatory writings, the tenets of the Cause of God, are to be treated differently. It is incumbent upon all men, each according to his ability, to refute the arguments of those that have attacked the Faith of God. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the All-Powerful, the Almighty.” Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 329

Meanwhile, carry on!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That is so illogical I can barely breathe.....
There is no reason why all the religions would be exactly the same.
Why would God reveal a new religion that was exactly the same as the one he revealed before? What would be the point?

“And now concerning thy question regarding the nature of religion. Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 81

I have to say Trailblazer, I am seeing not many that want to have any meaningful dialogue.

I am seeing many want the status quo to continue. All I,can add is, may God help us all.

One would think if America does face the danger offered in the writings, that it would find some people willing to have a conversation about it and what signs to look for. But alas, it has become a joke for many, a way to ridicule the Message.

Regards Tony

 

[Ancient Soul]

Ha, ha, ha...

I find it sad that logic makes you so unable to breath.

And thanks for proving some proof of my statement that:

"All these so-called "messengers" are just just cult leaders who always speak in bombastic gobbledygook meant to bedazzle people into thinking there is "something spiritual" hidden in there, but there NEVER is."

With your bombastic gobbledygook quote from " the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh".

So to YOU, "logic" is for your "god" to send all these so-called "messengers" who all speak in various forms of bombastic gobbledygook so that ALL of their religions make no sense within themselves or to all the other senseless religions that allegedly came form other so-called messengers?

And actually, from my communicating with others of my spiritual level on the Internet, we for the most part ARE in accord in our spiritual beliefs because they came DIRECTLY from God. And that includes they all disbelieve that ANY of these religions have anything to do with any "god", but could ONLY have come from the addled minds of MAN.

I have changed a lot since you were last on this forum so I have no need to defend my beliefs or comment upon yours, although if I see attacks on the Baha'i Faith I will respond since Baha'u'llah enjoined me with that responsibility.

“Warn, O Salmán, the beloved of the one true God, not to view with too critical an eye the sayings and writings of men. Let them rather approach such sayings and writings in a spirit of open-mindedness and loving sympathy. Those men, however, who, in this Day, have been led to assail, in their inflammatory writings, the tenets of the Cause of God, are to be treated differently. It is incumbent upon all men, each according to his ability, to refute the arguments of those that have attacked the Faith of God. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the All-Powerful, the Almighty.” Gleanings From the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 329

Meanwhile, carry on!

So you basically have NOTHING of merit to reply with other than a condescending bombastic gobbledygook quote from your self-appointed spokesperson for "god"?

What's the matter, you got nothing of merit to debate with?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

With your bombastic gobbledygook quote from " the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh".

They are actually lifelines being thrown.

Regards Tony

 

[Ancient Soul]

They are actually lifelines being thrown.

Regards Tony

LOL!

And here I was thinking you had no sense of humor, then you come up with such a GREAT joke.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

LOL!

And here I was thinking you had no sense of humor, then you come up with such a GREAT joke.

Grab on, your choice.

Regards Tony

 

[Ancient Soul]

Grab on, your choice.

Regards Tony

LOL!

Yet ANOTHER joke!

But I'll take what the true God has shown me thru-out my lifetime over your silly messed up man made mythology any day.

 

[Trailblazer]

What's the matter, you got nothing of merit to debate with?

I have something of merit, but I have no wish to debate with you.

Matthew 7:6

 

[TransmutingSoul]

LOL!

Yet ANOTHER joke!

But I'll take what the true God has shown me thru-out my lifetime over your silly messed up man made mythology any day.

I see the vortex of self draws many of us away from the lifeline.

Good thing is, if the vortex releases, even if it is only for a while, then the lifelines are now always there.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

But I'll take what the true God has shown me

That would be the joke.

 

[Trailblazer]

One would think if America does face the danger offered in the writings, that it would find some people willing to have a conversation about it and what signs to look for. But alas, it has become a joke for many, a way to ridicule the Message.

One would think that if Baha'u'llah predicted exactly what was going to happen in America over 150 years ago that would at least lend some credence to His message, but unfortunately most people don't think logically, they think with their emotions.

Oh well, maybe they don't have a television set, or maybe they just don't care.

AMERICA PASSING THROUGH CRISIS

 

[Aupmanyav]

Which only confirms Man created religions.
No god would wait 200.000 years to reveal itself.

Yeah, of course, humans created religions just like they created their Gods. Social necessities put under the garb of religion.
What can you say about God (Abrahamic, Hindus and pagans will have a boat-load of Gods and Goddesses). He dos many silly things for no reason, like making the hearts of some people hard and blinding them to his glory.