"God did it"

[i-M-p-A-c-T--]

I've discussed religious beliefs with alot of theists, and it always seem to boil down to this: "I can't explain blah blah blah, therefore God did it"....

Are there any real rational explanations as to why we should believe in God(s)? because if there are, i'm dying to know them...: hamster :

 

[Madhuri]

Well, stick around the forums for a while and see if anything changes.

 

[CarlinKnew]

Are there any real rational explanations as to why we should believe in God(s)? because if there are, i'm dying to know them...: hamster :

Nope.

 

[Atomist]

I've discussed religious beliefs with alot of theists, and it always seem to boil down to this: "I can't explain blah blah blah, therefore God did it"....

Are there any real rational explanations as to why we should believe in God(s)? because if there are, i'm dying to know them...: hamster :

The two best ones I've heard are.
"where does conciousness come from" which is a problematic question where no real coherent answer comes from and
"how did the universe come to be"

But both are riddled with fallacy and God is not really a better answer, but I can see why people would be persuaded by such arguments

 

[blackout]

Which 'gods'?

What kinds of theists?

 

[Madhuri]

The two best ones I've heard are.
"where does conciousness come from" which is a problematic question where no real coherent answer comes from and
"how did the universe come to be"

But both are riddled with fallacy and God is not really a better answer, but I can see why people would be persuaded by such arguments

I claim those!

Despite the flawed attempt at answering these questions, I think the questions themselves are valid.

 

[Atomist]

I claim those!

Despite the flawed attempt at answering these questions, I think the questions themselves are valid.

I don't think they're that even good arguments, they're just useful to get a rhetorical advantage over people who view there is no such answer to those questions right now because the theist can say "ah ha, god did it" which is relatively persuasive, but intellectually bankrupt.

 

[Madhuri]

I don't think they're that even good arguments, they're just useful to get a rhetorical advantage over people who view there is no such answer to those questions right now because the theist can say "ah ha, god did it" which is relatively persuasive, but intellectually bankrupt.

Those questions are the reasons why a lot of people look to religion.
I'm not a 'God did it' person, btw.

 

[Nayana]

This is the million dollar question. The answer? Go find it youself. Sorry but thats really what it comes down to, your the only one who can find the answer for youself.

 

[Atomist]

Those questions are the reasons why a lot of people look to religion.
I'm not a 'God did it' person, btw.

oh okay I agree... because our brains are wired to want to know stuff, even if it's not true... as long as its a satisfactory answer.

This is the million dollar question. The answer? Go find it youself. Sorry but thats really what it comes down to, your the only one who can find the answer for youself.

But the truth is objective. If something is rational to believe, it should be demonstrated or self evident. And since belief in god isn't self evident... and it hasn't been demonstrated.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

I've discussed religious beliefs with alot of theists, and it always seem to boil down to this: "I can't explain blah blah blah, therefore God did it"....

Are there any real rational explanations as to why we should believe in God(s)? because if there are, i'm dying to know them...: hamster :

i can give you three concrete explanations for why you should believe in gods.
1.: hamster :
2.: hamster :
3.: hamster :

(ahhhhhh, i'm seriously freaking out looking at the cute parade. okay, calm down...)
in all seriousness though, the trick to defining rational reasons for belief in anything is to make sure you have a functional definition of it. if you know what something looks like it's much easier to find it. although, best of luck getting a solid definition out of many theists as to their god-figure.

welcome to the boards.
oh and one more thing....
: hamster :
=)!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[i-M-p-A-c-T--]

Which 'gods'?

What kinds of theists?

It doesn't matter which God it is. I don't care if it's The God in the Bible, Allah, Thor, Zeus, or the tooth fairy...I want to know if you can provide rationality and reason as to why we should believe in it...

I don't care what kind of theist you are either, within reason.

 

[i-M-p-A-c-T--]

I claim those!

Despite the flawed attempt at answering these questions, I think the questions themselves are valid.

I find these questions to be invalid, in the context of whether or not Gods exist...why do you believe them to be valid?

"where does conciousness come from" which is a problematic question where no real coherent answer comes from"
using this as an argument for Gods, is still basically implying..."I don't know, therefore, God did it"...with zero evidence...

"how did the universe come to be"
using this as an argument for Gods, is still basically implying..."I don't know, therefore, God did it"...with zero evidence...

 

[jmvizanko]

I've discussed religious beliefs with alot of theists, and it always seem to boil down to this: "I can't explain blah blah blah, therefore God did it"...

Like I just said in another thread, a lot of people seem to be uncomfortable with not having the answers to the tough questions about life and existence. They much prefer to take whatever answers they were handed, or can find, than to be able to say "you know, I don't know."

Oh, I almost forgot: : hamster :

 

[Atomist]

I find these questions to be invalid, in the context of whether or not Gods exist...why do you believe them to be valid?

"where does conciousness come from" which is a problematic question where no real coherent answer comes from"
using this as an argument for Gods, is still basically implying..."I don't know, therefore, God did it"...with zero evidence...

"how did the universe come to be"
using this as an argument for Gods, is still basically implying..."I don't know, therefore, God did it"...with zero evidence...

They're very problematic answers but they're also very convincing answers to a lot of poeple... it's a lot easier to accept that as an answer vs accepting we don't know.

 

[Madhuri]

I find these questions to be invalid, in the context of whether or not Gods exist...why do you believe them to be valid?

"where does conciousness come from" which is a problematic question where no real coherent answer comes from"
using this as an argument for Gods, is still basically implying..."I don't know, therefore, God did it"...with zero evidence...

"how did the universe come to be"
using this as an argument for Gods, is still basically implying..."I don't know, therefore, God did it"...with zero evidence...

They are valid questions on their own. The fact that there exists no satisfactory answer to these questions in science is the reason why a lot of people look to religion because hey, these questions are crucial to whether God exists or not.

These questions are the reason that I explore spirituality, but I would not argue that they imply a God exists. I never said that.

 

[Madhuri]

But the truth is objective. If something is rational to believe, it should be demonstrated or self evident. And since belief in god isn't self evident... and it hasn't been demonstrated.

I disagree. There are plenty of things that exist as part of reality that have not yet been demonstrated or that are not self evident. We humans are really very ignorant, Atomist.

 

[darkendless]

I've discussed religious beliefs with alot of theists, and it always seem to boil down to this: "I can't explain blah blah blah, therefore God did it"....

Are there any real rational explanations as to why we should believe in God(s)? because if there are, i'm dying to know them...: hamster :

Its a common excuse because we as humans are so arrogant that we refuse to admit that we don't know.

Such a statement really is detrimental to the advancement of our species.

 

[i-M-p-A-c-T--]

There are plenty of things that exist as part of reality that have not yet been demonstrated or that are not self evident.

we don't believe in that stuff either...

well, it depends on what you mean by "plenty of things" really...

 

[darkendless]

I disagree. There are plenty of things that exist as part of reality that have not yet been demonstrated or that are not self evident. We humans are really very ignorant, Atomist.

There is a giant leap between Gods and something like gravity.

Both cannot be proven to exist, but gravity is the basis of so much. Have you heard of Q1 of the Gold Coast? Its a residential tower and the tallest in the southern hemisphere.

In the calculations for designing the building if you change the force of gravity from 9.81m^2/s to 9.89m^2/s the crushing load will cause load bearing columns to fail.

How about that for something we can't demonstrate