God does exist

[sojourner]

So tell me what is the next planet to Neptune.

Of course i aint talking about galaxies.

Why not? They're as much a part of the system of the universe as the planets of our solar system -- made out of the same materials. Our planets are part of our solar system which is part of the Milky Way galaxy, which is part of a cluster of galaxies, which, in turn are part of the Virgo supercluster of galaxies, which is one tiny dot in the visible universe, stretching for almost 14 billion light years. That's a scientific fact. So, don't come at me with paltry measurements in billions of kilometers, that don't even come close to measuring one small part of our own galaxy.

 

[sojourner]

I think my question is clear.

What is the next planet to Neptune in our solar system.

You're attempting misdirection. The question doesn't particularly involve our solar system. it involves the universe, at least.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

I think my question is clear.

What is the next planet to Neptune in our solar system.

There isn't any but there are dwarf planets like Ceres and Pluto.

Did you ever answer my question about firmaments by the way?

 

[FearGod]

You're attempting misdirection. The question doesn't particularly involve our solar system. it involves the universe, at least.

Do you know that God's universe is an endless one.

The distance is fixed between earth and the 7th layer which is above planet earth.

So the description is clear and which is the orbits above earth.

 

[sojourner]

Do you know that God's universe is an endless one.

The distance is fixed between earth and the 7th layer which is above planet earth.

So the description is clear and which is the orbits above earth.

Science doesn't know any such thing. Earth isn't at the "center" of the universe. It's at the center of the visible universe, from earth's perspective, but is at the edge of the visible universe from another perspective. The universe doesn't revolve (orbit) around earth. The stars revolve around the centers of their respective galaxies, expanding as they go. The galaxies revolve around each other, and expand as they go. The principle movement in the universe is outward, not around.

 

[Clarity]

Science doesn't know any such thing. Earth isn't at the "center" of the universe. It's at the center of the visible universe, from earth's perspective, but is at the edge of the visible universe from another perspective. The universe doesn't revolve (orbit) around earth. The stars revolve around the centers of their respective galaxies, expanding as they go. The galaxies revolve around each other, and expand as they go. The principle movement in the universe is outward, not around.

Actually, science can offer a bit more here in the study of Red Shift.

If all stars show "red shift" (a shift red-ward on the light spectrum, an expansion of wavelengths), it indicates that all objects visible to us are moving away from us, indicating that the earth is, in fact, the center of these objects.

The way to refute this concept is to find at least one star in blue shift (a shift blue-ward in the opposite direction on the light spectrum, a contraction of wavelengths), indicating movement of an object toward us.

 

[sojourner]

Actually, science can offer a bit more here in the study of Red Shift.

If all stars show "red shift" (a shift red-ward on the light spectrum, an expansion of wavelengths), it indicates that all objects visible to us are moving away from us, indicating that the earth is, in fact, the center of these objects.

The way to refute this concept is to find at least one star in blue shift (a shift blue-ward in the opposite direction on the light spectrum, a contraction of wavelengths), indicating movement of an object toward us.

Of course, because, as I said, we're measuring from our location, not because we are "the center of the universe."

 

[Clarity]

Of course, because, as I said, we're measuring from our location, not because we are "the center of the universe."

I think you need to reread my post.

If red shift is seen from ALL stars in the sky, based on the doppler effect, ALL stars are moving away from us.

In your scenario of rotating galaxies, there would naturally be some stars in the clubhouse turn temporarily headed toward us.

Have any been found?

 

[sojourner]

I think you need to reread my post.

If red shift is seen from ALL stars in the sky, based on the doppler effect, ALL stars are moving away from us.

In your scenario of rotating galaxies, there would naturally be some stars in the clubhouse turn temporarily headed toward us.

Have any been found?

In a two-axis world, sure. But we're dealing with a three-axis world. In an expanding balloon, all points are moving further away from all other points.

 

[FearGod]

Science doesn't know any such thing. Earth isn't at the "center" of the universe. It's at the center of the visible universe, from earth's perspective, but is at the edge of the visible universe from another perspective. The universe doesn't revolve (orbit) around earth. The stars revolve around the centers of their respective galaxies, expanding as they go. The galaxies revolve around each other, and expand as they go. The principle movement in the universe is outward, not around.

i am talking about the distance between earth and the 7th layer of our solar system as to be the same width for the paradise.

Why you are speaking about the stars and other galaxies,did the verse says the width is from earth to stars.

You are inserting astronomical topics which is irrelevant to our discussion.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

i am talking about the distance between earth and the 7th layer of our solar system as to be the same width for the paradise.

Why you are speaking about the stars and other galaxies,did the verse says the width is from earth to stars.

You are inserting astronomical topics which is irrelevant to our discussion.

So wait where is paradise?

 

[FearGod]

So wait where is paradise?

What that to do with its size ?

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

What that to do with its size ?

You gave a size for it, so size is a dimension of space, so are you implying that it exists in this universe?

 

[sojourner]

i am talking about the distance between earth and the 7th layer of our solar system as to be the same width for the paradise.

Why you are speaking about the stars and other galaxies,did the verse says the width is from earth to stars.

You are inserting astronomical topics which is irrelevant to our discussion.

Wait a minute! In another thread, the question was asked:

Up to date, what religion has proven to be the most accurate?

By accurate I mean, has the least contradiction with history, science, logic, etc. Or, if not that, the religion that has the least inaccuracies.

You answered:

I think the quran.

Therefore, how can "astronomical topics" possibly be "irrelevant" to the discussion???

By your reckoning, "paradise" has physical limits, can be found situated within our solar system, and those limits are far, far, far, far less than the size of the visible universe??? How can that POSSIBLY reconcile without contradiction to what we know scientifically about the universe?

 

[FearGod]

Wait a minute! In another thread, the question was asked:

You answered:

Therefore, how can "astronomical topics" possibly be "irrelevant" to the discussion???

By your reckoning, "paradise" has physical limits, can be found situated within our solar system, and those limits are far, far, far, far less than the size of the visible universe??? How can that POSSIBLY reconcile without contradiction to what we know scientifically about the universe?

Who said that paradise is situated within our solar system.

 

[sojourner]

Who said that paradise is situated within our solar system.

'K...

Where is it, then? If it has specific boundaries that can be measured in standard units of measure, it must exist in physical space.

 

[FearGod]

'K...

Where is it, then? If it has specific boundaries that can be measured in standard units of measure, it must exist in physical space.

Of course it exists in a physical space and not a paradise of vacuum.

The paradise according to my understanding is to be far beyond the stars.

As the quran mentioned that our universe that we know is in the bottom side "Dunya"

 

[sojourner]

Of course it exists in a physical space and not a paradise of vacuum.

The paradise according to my understanding is to be far beyond the stars.

As the quran mentioned that our universe that we know is in the bottom side "Dunya"

Yeah, but that's inconsistent with science, which means that your statement in the other thread, that you believe the Quran is most consistent with science, is WRONG.

So, let me get this straight: The visible universe is 28 billion light years in diameter (from the reference point Earth), and you're telling me that Paradise -- God's kingdom, out of all that vast expanse of universe, is only a mere several billion kilometers??? I'll take the visible universe over "Paradise" any day, if such is the case.

 

[Clarity]

In a two-axis world, sure. But we're dealing with a three-axis world. In an expanding balloon, all points are moving further away from all other points.

Test your theory on paper.

Draw a circle and place a dot in the middle. Place earth halfway between the dot and the edge.

Ask yourself a question:

If everything is moving outward, would the objects BETWEEN earth and the center exhibit red shift or blue shift?

(The answer depends more on velocity than on direction, doesn't it?)

 

[Parsimony]

I think you need to reread my post.

If red shift is seen from ALL stars in the sky, based on the doppler effect, ALL stars are moving away from us.

In your scenario of rotating galaxies, there would naturally be some stars in the clubhouse turn temporarily headed toward us.

Have any been found?

The Andromeda Galaxy is moving towards us, so that's a group of quite a few stars that is blueshifted.