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God does exist

Sees

Dragonslayer
still you have to prove that your Solar-System-size 'Planet Paradise' does exist, which I pretty much doubt would still remain a planet at such giant size, the sheer pressure caused by its own Gravity will difinitely trigger Fusion Reactions at its core, turning it into a Giant Star, much Larger than the Largest Star Ever discovered....

another thing, During the Night Journey, Muhammad saw Sidrat Al-Muntaha... a giant Aldar Buckthorn in Heaven, he said its roots were in the sixth heaven, it reached high through the 7th heaven and right under Paradise and the throne [Sahih Nasa'i/450]... so the burden of proof is still on you to prove that there's a cosmic aldar buckthorn tree between Neptune and Pluto....

oh and by the way, I hate Islam as much as I hate LOTR, at least the latter is original and has a consistent plot, not a sloppy ripoff from other fairy tales..

oh, and Did you know about Moses Night Journey From Judeo-Christian Scriptures?!!!

LOTR is scripture to me :D
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
still you have to prove that your Solar-System-size 'Planet Paradise' does exist, which I pretty much doubt would still remain a planet at such giant size, the sheer pressure caused by its own Gravity will difinitely trigger Fusion Reactions at its core, turning it into a Giant Star, much Larger than the Largest Star Ever discovered....

another thing, During the Night Journey, Muhammad saw Sidrat Al-Muntaha... a giant Aldar Buckthorn in Heaven, he said its roots were in the sixth heaven, it reached high through the 7th heaven and right under Paradise and the throne [Sahih Nasa'i/450]... so the burden of proof is still on you to prove that there's a cosmic aldar buckthorn tree between Neptune and Pluto....

oh and by the way, I hate Islam as much as I hate LOTR, at least the latter is original and has a consistent plot, not a sloppy ripoff from other fairy tales..

oh, and Did you know about Moses Night Journey From Judeo-Christian Scriptures?!!!

I don't believe the tales,enjoy yourself with such silly stories.

You don't know the quran in its origin language, so your ignorance is profound.

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egcroc

we're all stardust
I don't believe the tales,enjoy yourself with such silly stories.

You don't know the quran in its origin language, so your ignorance is profound.

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Good day to you too, sir :)

this discussion is officially over for me...
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Because believing that an Arabic sky-magician lives in a magic golden space palace filled with virgin space women is totally common sense, am I right?

God isn't human to think of him as an Arabian or Indian,

No one can perceive God or to imagine how he looks like,but what makes sense to me is that the universe started from a point which does always exist.

If you want you may think that it was always nothingness just an eternal vacuum then something happened out of nothingness that brought this wonderful universe to existence.
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
God isn't human to think of him as an Arabian or Indian,

No one can perceive God or to imagine how he looks like

And yet that is exactly what every "holy book" in the world tries to do. The Quran, the Bible, the Torah, the Bhagavad Gita, and every other "holy book" that has ever existed, has tried to explain god from the perspective of the religion that book pertains to. I agree that god cannot be perceived... Which is why I do not rely on "holy books" to try and give me an "explanation."
 
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McBell

Unbound
I use English to explain what i know in Arabic,simple as this.

Why bother when you have to know the Koran in the original language?

Do you not realize how bad you make the Koran look when you so poorly explain it in English and then whine because your English speaking audience does not know the Koran in its original language?

Especially when you use "you do not know the Koran in its original language" as the reason your poor explanation is so severely lacking?
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
Doing math to locate something that logically would have no location is a lot of work for nothing, as far as I see it.

It is equivalent to locating where your mind or thoughts are.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Why bother when you have to know the Koran in the original language?

Do you not realize how bad you make the Koran look when you so poorly explain it in English and then whine because your English speaking audience does not know the Koran in its original language?

Especially when you use "you do not know the Koran in its original language" as the reason your poor explanation is so severely lacking?

May this short video explains my point.


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Lesley Hazleton: A "tourist" reads the Koran - YouTube
 

egcroc

we're all stardust
Because believing that an Arabic sky-magician lives in a magic golden space palace filled with virgin space women is totally common sense, am I right?

it's quite fascinating how you think of the striking similarity between this one and the Norse Mythology... Just Replace Allah with Odin, Paradise with Valhalla, and Virgins with Valkyries... especially when you realize that in Islamic Mythology, the best places in Paradise are reserved for those who die in battle...:beach:
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
A proof from the quran that the universe created by God


Quoted From my thread "the seven heavens"

The given data from the quran

And they demand of thee to hasten the chastisement! God will not fail His promise; and surely a day with thy Lord is as a thousand years of your counting.(22:47)

And We have built above you seven firmaments, (78:12)

Strive with one another in hastening toward forgiveness from your Lord and toward
a Garden whereof the width is as the width of the heavens and the earth,
gotten ready for those who beiieve in Allah and His apostles. This is the grace of
Allah; He vouchsafeth It Unto whomsoever He will; and Allah is Owner of mighty
grace. (57:21)

So from the verses we got the following data

  • 1 day is equal to 1000 years of ours

  • Our heaven consist of seven layers above us

  • The diameter of the paradise is equal to the width of earth plus heaven
.

Let's do some math.

First we'll have the size of the paradise knowing that 1 day is equavalent
to 1000 years of ours.

24 hrs to complete one cycle (40000 km) for earth
8640000 hours to complete one cycle (Unknown) for Paradise

We got the circumference of the Paradise to be 14400000000 Km

Let's now have the size of the paradise by knowing its width (Earth+heaven)

The approx width from earth to the edge of our solar system is about
4500000000 Km

The circumference of Paradise = π X d
= 3,14 X 4500000000Km
= 14130000000 Km

Comparing the 2 results

In first method, the paradise = 14400000000 Km
In second method, the paradise= 14130000000 Km

Accuracy rate = 97.7 %
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Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity.
Michel de Montaigne
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