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Kirran

Premium Member
Its seems me who try to teach you to make difference between theory vs fact in science :)


Top 10 Most Famous Scientific Theories (That Turned out to be wrong)

Top 10 Most Famous Scientific Theories That Turned out to be Wrong

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php

Top 10 Most Famous Scientific Theories That Turned out to be Wrong


Even some what we consider as fact turned wrong by time (had other explaination):

25 Science “Facts” That Were Proven Wrong

I've heard of blind leading the blind, but this is something new.

I am a scientist.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I've heard of blind leading the blind, but this is something new.

I am a scientist.
I gave you from Western source.
if you have problem with them tell me,whats wrong, if not, so your are blind one.

You are not only scienstist in world.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think that we have to maintain a balance with regards to scientific truth. What is proven should be unquestionably accepted by one and all but where there is uncertainty, disagreement and not complete agreement then maybe we can accept it provisionally until some more better explanation comes along.
There will never be any "what is proven." Haven't you been reading the posts? Science proves nothing. It just accumulates more and more evidence. When the evidence becomes overwhelming and resists all attempts to falsify it, it's considered a fact.
These 10 hypotheses and popular speculations did not stand up to testing and peer review. That's the beauty of science. Nothing's carved in stone. Everything is challenged and, if found wanting, discarded.

Religious dogma is exactly the opposite. Claims of equivalency are absurd.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I gave you from Western source.
if you have problem with them tell me,whats wrong, if not, so your are blind one.

You are not only scienstist in world.
The links are not "scientific sources." Their examples are not established scientific theories. Your links are examples of folklore being debunked and science disproving hypotheses.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I gave you from Western source.
if you have problem with them tell me,whats wrong, if not, so your are blind one.

You are not only scienstist in world.

And I told you, there are different definitions of theory depending on context. Why do you refuse to read what people are writing? These aren't difficult concepts.

There is no Western, Islamic, Chinese, Indian, African etc in science. Science isn't bound by one culture or another, so I don't care whether it's a Western source.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
There is no Western, Islamic, Chinese, Indian, African etc in science. Science isn't bound by one culture or another, so I don't care whether it's a Western source.
That's your problem,not mind actually.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Science in part had two parts fact/theory .

What you try to do is giving theory a degree of fact.

to become like this :

"The fact of evolution" instead of "theory of evolution".

that clear fraud and playing with meaning.
Again, you don't understand what you are talking about, Godobeyer.

Perhaps, if you had bother to actually listen to science teacher, you would know that SCIENTIFIC THEORY is a set of statements that explains an observed phenomena, whether this phenomena be natural or man-made.

The phenomena is the fact that scientist would try to explain.

But the only ways to verify if the explanation or theory are TRUE is through REPEATED TESTS or through EMPIRICAL EVIDENCES.

The tests and evidences are the most objective method of...
(A) ...REFUTE the theory, hence the theory is FALSE & should be DISCARDED.
(B) ...VERIFY & VALIDATE the theory.​

Although logic and maths are important in science, they are not as important than EVIDENCES or TESTS.

Theory is not just guesses and speculation. The power of the well-tested theory come from...
  1. the explanation,
  2. the prediction & from the probability,
  3. and last but not least, from the measurable observations (eg tests and evidences).
Do you know why scientist has to test their hypothesis and theory, rigorously and repeatedly, over as many times as they can?

So what he or she is explaining, is not based on belief or faith. If it was based on belief and faith, then the explanation is biased. There are other reasons to test his theory, like to make sure that any errors are minimal.

But a scientist don't test his hypothesis or theory alone. That's what the peer review are for: for independent scientists in the same or related fields to his papers.

I don't expect you to understand or agree me, because I think I have already wasted my time on you, because you have already entrenched in your biased ignorance. You think everyone but you are wrong. Others have tried to explain to you where you are wrong, but you are too prideful and unwilling to learn the truth.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I sometimes get the feeling you're trying to rub me up the wrong way, a strange comment.
Don't worry :)

By this way of discuss , we will never agree with each other.
fraud the meaning of the methods of science will not apply one me.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Don't worry :)

By this way of discuss , we will never agree with each other.
fraud the meaning of the methods of science will not apply one me.

I really don't understand why you think people are trying to pull some fraud on you. I'm not being dishonest with you.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
I really don't understand why you think people are trying to pull some fraud on you. I'm not being dishonest with you.
Denying that there were scientific theory proved wrong , is dishonest with me.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
There will never be any "what is proven." Haven't you been reading the posts? Science proves nothing. It just accumulates more and more evidence. When the evidence becomes overwhelming and resists all attempts to falsify it, it's considered a fact.
These 10 hypotheses and popular speculations did not stand up to testing and peer review. That's the beauty of science. Nothing's carved in stone. Everything is challenged and, if found wanting, discarded.

Religious dogma is exactly the opposite. Claims of equivalency are absurd.

That's basically what I meant.
 
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