God Sent Himself To Die On The Cross

[Jimmy]

When you think about it, God did not send himself because Jesus is not God in the flesh.
God cannot be flesh. The Bible confirms that many times over.

Oh but he is though. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

 

[Jimmy]

When you think about it, God did not send himself because Jesus is not God in the flesh.
God cannot be flesh. The Bible confirms that many times over.

Yes the father is not flesh that’s why we have Jesus.

• I and the Father are one: (John 10:30)
• Before Abraham was, I am
• If you've seen me, you've seen the Father

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If Christianity was the only choice of religions I would probably be an agnostic or maybe a deist.

Agreed.

 

[Ebionite]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

Faith before logic, right?

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].
Matthew 26:39

Isaiah 53 explained what happened, by the truth isn't acceptable to Pauline Christianity.

God cannot be flesh. The Bible confirms that many times over.

If not flesh, then why did they sit in the shade and eat?
And YHWH appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Genesis 18:1

And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set [it] before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
Genesis 18:8

 

[1213]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

Please show the scripture that says Jesus is God in flesh.

 

[Jimmy]

Please show the scripture that says Jesus is God in flesh.

• I and the Father are one: (John 10:30)
• Before Abraham was, I am
• If you've seen me, you've seen the Father

 

[roger1440]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

What "people"?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

To which people are you referring? It should obvious that claims such as "God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh" mean little to non-Christians. So, for example, my response would be something akin to:

When I think about it, no he didn't and no he wasn't.​

Permit me to suggest the following:

There is a sub-forum at RF, named Same Faith Debates, which has Special Rules. Perhaps you would find it more fruitful to create similar threads there, taking special notice of rule 3.1 and directing your post to Christians. Just a thought.​

 

[loverofhumanity]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

Just like a mirror reflects the sun, I believe Jesus was a perfect reflection of God but that just like the sun does not descend into the mirror in order to reflect itself so too God did not descend into Jesus for Him to fully reflect God. In the Bible it is said that God is Spirit and to worship him only in the spirit so physical and bodily worship is forbidden to Christians.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[blü 2]

All religions fall short of the truth

Now you're talking!

 

[loverofhumanity]

All religions fall short of the truth

So Moses was false too? Thats not what Jesus taught. Jesus confirmed the religion that came before Him so not all religions are false according to Jesus. And there is nothing, not one word in the Bible which says, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, Zoroaster, the Bab and Baha’u’llah are false. That is just an assumption but there are no facts in the Bible which support Christians claims that any of these religions are untrue except their own self assertion.

 

[F1fan]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

Right, Christianity and the Jesus myth is absurd, and if interpreted literally says something very bad about the God, namely that it's either incompetent, or a sociopath. And let's be clear, the Fall and the resulting sin was all what God created and allowed to happen, so it's all on God.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

According to the Bible's creation story, Adam and Eve were the first to commit sin. However, I disagree with this narrative, and I'll explain why.

Let me begin by stating that according to the Bible, God has infinite power (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), infinite knowledge (Psalm 139:1–6; Isaiah 46:9–10; 1 John 3:20), and is present everywhere simultaneously (Psalm 139:7–10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). Having established what the Bible claims about God's omni-attributes, I will continue with my viewpoint. In my opinion, God committed the first sin because he created Adam and Eve with the foreknowledge that they would disobey him after he used the serpent to deliberately tempt them with a forbidden fruit. According to the creation story, God not only punished Adam and Eve for their disobedience (which he knew would happen), but he also punished the serpent for doing what he knew it would do. He also unjustly cursed the rest of humanity with a sinful nature for Adam and Eve's sin. Finally, he devised a sinister plan to brutally kill his own son by torturing and crucifying him in order to atone for his original sin of creating humanity with the foreknowledge that they would become corrupt.

If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present, as the Bible claims, then surely he would know better than to create Adam and Eve (and the rest of humanity), knowing that he would later regret creating humanity and repopulate the planet with the same morally flawed humans that he just annihilated in a global flood. According to Genesis 6:6, he regretted creating human beings as well as every animal, every creature that creeps on the ground, and the birds of the air. Thus, he carried out his devious plan to annihilate humanity in a global flood, except for the devout Noah and his family (Genesis 6:7-8).

In accordance with what the Bible states, it is my opinion that God was morally depraved (sinful, evil, sadistic) to first create Adam and Eve knowing that they would disobey him and that he would punish them for their disobedience; second, he punished and cursed Satan (the serpent), despite using Satan to carry out his nefarious plan to tempt Adam and Eve into disobeying him; third, punish and curse the rest of humanity with a sinful nature because of Adam and Eve's disobedience against him, despite the fact that the rest of humanity had nothing to do with it; and finally, he brutally tortured and killed his own son to "redeem" humanity for behaving exactly the way he knew they would behave before he created Adam and Eve. I think that is truly evil (Isaiah 45:7).

 

[Ebionite]

God is infinite power

And YHWH was with Judah; and he drave out [the inhabitants of] the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Judges 1:19

infinite knowledge

And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jeremiah 32:35

and is present everywhere simultaneously

And Cain went out from the presence of YHWH, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Genesis 4:16

 

[Ebionite]

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:39

And YHWH appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Genesis 18:1

And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set [it] before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
Genesis 18:8

 

[cataway]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

Jesus is not the god you would like to make him out to be . he can be called ''a god'' but he is not the
most high God.
as for Jesus dyeing on a cross ,no it was not a cross ,at least in the way Christendom portrays it . they have it upside down . the cross bar would be at the bottom ,3'-4 ' up from the bottom to aid in standing and in taking it down. , 99.% of those who call them selves Christion's got it wrong . when carried it would look like a cross but when stood up with a man nailed to it, it looked like a pole . to illustrate ,see pic in upper lefthand corner. it possible that the cross bar may of been removable to keep any one, not authorized , from taking the man down

 

[I Am Hugh]

People say how could God have sent his son to die on the cross. When you think about it, God sent himself because Jesus is God in the flesh.

No. There is no scriptural support of that. Jesus wasn't the God with whom he was, the Son was not the Father. That's religious nonsense.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Was he tortured?

The whole point of crucifixion was to torture someone slowly to death. Add to that the legend of the scouring, and yeah, tortured to death.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Yes the father is not flesh that’s why we have Jesus.

The first statement doesn't lead to the second one.

 

[1213]

• I and the Father are one: (John 10:30)

Jesus says also that his disciples are one with God, does it mean they also are the God?

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11
that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may be-lieve that you sent me.
John 17:21

• Before Abraham was, I am

How does that mean Jesus is the God?

• If you've seen me, you've seen the Father

Bible tells Jesus is the image of God. If you have seen an image of a house, is the image the house?

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...
Col. 1:14-16