Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Yeah it does
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God Sent Himself To Die On The Cross
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paarsurrey
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Ebionite
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That belief is part of the wide path that leads to destruction.
Behold, his soul [which] is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, [he is] a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and [is] as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:
Habakkuk 2:4-5
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It doesn't. Judaism agrees that God (whom you call God the father) is not flesh, yet we do not have anything remotely resembling your God the Son, a man Jesus. We do just fine.
Basically, your reasoning contains a non sequitur. It would be like saying "The sun doesn't shine at night, that's why we have streetlights." It makes a causal relationship between the sun not shining at night and streetlights existing. The truth is that nothing about the sun causes streetlights. Streetlights exist because human beings invented them. There have certainly been times and places where streets were unlit at night, despite the sun not shining at night.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
In da flesh baby! In Da flesh!!!
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I see you copied and pasted your reply from our other discussion.
Again, I'm not really trying to change your mind. I'm fine with you believing as you wish.
My comments were simply to address that your remark that God is not flesh so that's why we have Jesus contained a logical fallacy. You denied it, so I labeled the exact fallacy (non-sequitur) and gave you an example of a similar argument so that you could clearly see what your mistake was. I also explained how Jews accept that "the father" is not flesh, but we have no "Jesus" in our religion, yet we do just fine.
Don't feel pressured to reply if you don't want to. But if you do, it would help if you would address those specific comments rather than to simply repeat your original assertion.
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YellowFeather
Member
God is only a Spirit. The flesh is sin so God could not take that fall in anyway because God is total righteous. So God had to send his son in the likeness of sinful man to take the fall. Romans 8: 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin condemned sin in the flesh. 4 That the righteousness, of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk after the Spirit.
YellowFeather
Member
For one to truly understand the whole truth of God one has to truly study the Word to the fullest. When you have the full knowledge of the Word of God you know the whole truth and are free from those who try to tell you their version of God.
YellowFeather
Member
God is only a Spirit.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Please show me anywhere in scripture where it says that someone was needed to take the fall....
The fall of man, the fall of Adam, or simply the Fall, is a term used in Christianity to describe the transition of the first man and woman from a state of innocent obedience to God to a state of guilty disobedience. The doctrine of the Fall comes from a biblical interpretation of Genesis, chapters 1–3.
Fall of man - Wikipedia
If you cannot show me that I will assume that is only a Christian doctrine and can be rightly disregarded.
I am not referring to whether or not Jesus died for our sins. I believe that Jesus chose to die for the sins of humanity.
What I am talking about is substitutionary atonement.
According to the Scriptures, sin must be paid for. When Jesus Christ died, He suffered as a substitute in the place of and on behalf of fallen humanity. Christ's death made it possible for men and women to be declared righteous, based on their faith in Him.
Substitutionary Atonement | Moody Bible Institute
Where is that in the scriptures? Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus died as a ransom for an original sin of Adam and Eve?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_man
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Anyone can study the scriptures until the cows come home but that does not mean they will have the full knowledge of the scriptures and know the whole truth. What they will derive from studying the scriptures all depends upon how they interpret them. If there was not more than one possible interpretation all Christians would agree on what verses mean and there would not be so many divisions within Christianity.
YellowFeather
Member
Jesus came to die to keep the ones that are righteous safe from sin. The ones that keep on sinning are not safe will not be saved unless they Repent of their old sins and change their life to obey God. Not everyone will be saved only a very few that truly obey God.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Saved from what?
YellowFeather
Member
Very few study the Bible, Most only read a few verses to satisify them. Then they live in sin because they have not studied the whole Word to understand what sinning means to God. When you study the Bible you will give Verses to back up what you say As I do. you do not because like most you have no knowledge.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
People do not live in sin because they haven't studied the whole Bible.
They might have studied the Bible but they are still going to do what feels good. I think we both know what I am talking about.
YellowFeather
Member
Those who do what they want should not cry on the day of Judgement when God saves only those who have followed and obeyed him now. Those who have not will receive the Second death.People do not live in sin because they haven't studied the whole Bible.
They might have studied the Bible but they are still going to do what feels good. I think we both know what I am talking about.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do not believe in the concept of being saved from God's judgment. The only thing we need to be saved from is our own choices.ward
The punishment will be not receiving the reward we could have had.
“He who shall accept and believe, shall receive his reward; and he who shall turn away, shall receive none other than his own punishment.”
What do you believe the Second Death is?
The second death is mentioned only in the book of Revelation. It contains many symbols and is not to be taken literally.
A Lake of Fire is symbolic for eternal separation from God. There is no actual lake that is burning where people go.
How can you make the statement that "very few study the Bible" and "Most only read a few verses to satisify [sic] them"??? Have you done a survey or are you just following your own fantasy?
And then you claim that Bible readers then live in sin because (without evidence) you claim that they have not studied "the whole Word to understand what sinning means to God".
Are you familiar with these verses? "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and regarded others with contempt: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus, ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: thieves, rogues, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of all my income.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven but was beating his breast and saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his home justified rather than the other, for all who exalt themselves will be humbled, but all who humble themselves will be exalted.” Luke 18:9-14
For one to truly understand the whole truth of God one has to truly study the Word to the fullest. When you have the full knowledge of the Word of God you know the whole truth and are free from those who try to tell you their version of God.
Sure and my patron deity Odin died for humanity by his own hand as well
."In Norse mythology, Odin, the one-eyed All-Father, hung himself from Yggdrasil, the world tree, for nine days and nine nights to gain knowledge of other worlds and the runes:
Odin chose a branch of Yggdrasil
He pierced himself with his spear, Gungnir
He forbade the other gods from helping him, including giving him water
He looked down into the Well of Urd
He called out to the runes, which are said to live in the Well with the norns
He survived on the brink of life and death for nine days and nights
On the ninth night, the runes appeared to him, and he "took up the runes, screaming I took them, then I fell back from
there"
"for who could be a nobler offering to the god than the god himself?"
Odin's Discovery of the Runes - Norse Mythology for Smart People
The Norse god Odin is a relentless seeker after knowledge and wisdom, and is willing to sacrifice almost anything for this pursuit. The most outstanding feature of his appearance, his one eye, attests to this; he sacrificed his other eye for more wisdom. The tale of how he discovered the runes...
norse-mythology.org