Phantasman
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So 50 million Jews can't be wrong about who Christ was?
I don't follow the world. John 15:19
Neither did Paul.
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God talking
- Thread starter Unveiled Artist
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I don't follow the world. John 15:19
Neither did Paul.
stvdv
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Have you ever experienced "Divine Bliss"? Or is it hypothetical speaking?
Unveiled Artist
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Since mundane and "bliss" are one and the same, yes. I dont divide the two, though. If anything, I dont understand what divine means. Just living in itself is divine bliss.
You'd have to give me a definition if not based on the psychological and physiological experiences.
Oh. Its not hypothetical, its literal. Something that can be explained and still remain "divine" at the same time.
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Unveiled Artist
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You know. I wonder if Muslims speak the same as some Hindu and christians.
Does god talk about love and grace? Does he talk as though he has an interaction with you? And if true, how so?
(Kinda getting told when i ask god questions they turn christian)
Does god talk about love and grace? Does he talk as though he has an interaction with you? And if true, how so?
(Kinda getting told when i ask god questions they turn christian)
stvdv
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Then I guess you have no questions left anymore. That's what Divine Bliss is about; "no mind", so "no thoughts". Good for you, congratulations, I'm not there yet.
[I have been in extended periods of "Bliss", but still way to go for me to be there 24/7 = mundane Bliss. I just can't fool myself nor others]
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Unveiled Artist
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I dont understand (the sarcasm?). Cant think of the right word (edit)
When you have "no mind" you're not attach to duality. You're not attach to whats divine and whats not. You basically live without attachment because it causes us to see and define ourselves in relation to other things and people when everything is in constant change and decay.
So, simplicity and "mundane" is living without attachment between good and bad. No-mind is a nutral position. Only The Buddhas and The Buddha himself obtain such enlightenment because his life is an example of how we give up things to experience no attachment.
Its not something I have acheived. Many people are on the path to get to that point.
That, and you would need to define what bliss and divinity is. If you see life by difference between mundane and divine, why would you say you arent there yet when we are traveling different paths?
I dont understand.
Milton Platt
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How do you determine that it is "god's" voice? And which god are you specifically talking about here?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Thought about this a bit. Ima poke at you a bit. All in good nature.
I wish I can find it but I read about sometimes we unconsciously hear internal voices as external ones. I guess when a thought is so extreme we manifest it not only behaviorally, but it takes over our whole sense. I wonder if people who go through PTSD hear voices outside as if they are really in the tramatic event though in reality, they are not (according to medical standards).
It could be with god-voices too. If we are not able or dont want to question our senses, then we can listen to just about anything and think its one thing when it can be something else. We ideally have to be careful of what we accept no matter how close we are.
I can compare it to a therapist trying to get his client to explain gradually a tramatic event. The event is so locked in the persons conscious that to try to find more of whats ailing him does the opppsite. It makes it worse. So hes scared physically to delve into the connection and serious and literality of the experiences so he knows the sourcs and can address it.
While god-voices arent tramatic, it could still be a mental health experience and not a spiritual one.
How would you know the voice you heard is from a universal spirit without taking for granted that what you Think is from god, could be something else-you just dont know it?
stvdv
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It was not meant as sarcasm [I really don't like irony,cynisism,sarcasm]. But you said for you "mundane" and "Divine Bliss" are the same. What I learned from advaita is that one is enlightened then. Similar many people say "love between humans" is the same as "Divine Love". For me this feels like fooling myself. That's all. I think, reading your reply, we mean the same afterall. Both realizing we are still travelling to get to that point [that was all I was pointing out].
I just used the simple definition of "mundane" as I gave before. In India it's known that a real guru [can also be the guru within] can grant you "experience/glimpse of Bliss". That happened to me. So although I got an experience, I know I am not there yet, but I know it's a good point to be [of course the way is also good].
I know this is in the debate section. But for me it's all about experiencing, not about debating. Sharing experiences is enough for me. I do not believe that science can proof what is beyond science. As seen already, words are more often obstacles than solutions when all we really long for is experiencing it. At best words can help to ignite a feeling for that which is beyond words. That's why I loved to read the stories in Hinduism. But reading words is nothing compared to our own experience IMO.
And by the way it's good to see the path to the goal as positive as you do. Just focus on the goal might make you miserable on the path. So enjoy the journey
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
It sure seems that way
stvdv
Veteran Member
You maybe didn't read the lines I wrote below. There is not even a definition of God. I just replied to the original post, asking about experiences.
I know this is the debate place. And for me it's simple. Science will never be able to proof that which is beyond science IMO. So for me it's useless to debate on God stuff. Of course for others it might be good to debate, just not for me. I rather meditate and pray and be open to experience myself.
You are an atheist. You don't believe in God [of which you also have no definition]. I believe in God [also no definition]. So if we start debating seems silly to me, that's why I refrain from it. Debate for me makes sense if I need something to change [or I need to learn something]. I don't need you to change and become theist, and I don't need myself to become atheist. I am interested in "God" experience, so makes sense to me not to ask an atheist about that
. If I want to know about "Other" experience then I can ask atheist.And although I believe in God. 1 God is enough for me. It's already complex enough as it is right now
when talking about 1 God.
Milton Platt
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You maybe didn't read the lines I wrote below. There is not even a definition of God. I just replied to the original post, asking about experiences.
I know this is the debate place. And for me it's simple. Science will never be able to proof that which is beyond science IMO. So for me it's useless to debate on God stuff. Of course for others it might be good to debate, just not for me. I rather meditate and pray and be open to experience myself.
You are an atheist. You don't believe in God [of which you also have no definition]. I believe in God [also no definition]. So if we start debating seems silly to me, that's why I refrain from it. Debate for me makes sense if I need something to change [or I need to learn something]. I don't need you to change and become theist, and I don't need myself to become atheist. I am interested in "God" experience, so makes sense to me not to ask an atheist about that
And although I believe in God. 1 God is enough for me. It's already complex enough as it is right now
That’s all okay with me, stvdv..........
I do fail to understand how you can beleive in a god that you say you can’t even define.....how do you know what it is you worship?
BilliardsBall
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Much of Jesus's communication to us is in the Word, proven, unequivocal, univocal, so that God's blessings and interactions can be shared with others. Private revelation sometimes comes and one can learn to listen to God.
For example, I'll ask God who to share with us personally if I have a choice among people. "Jesus, who should I tell today that your horrible death and resurrection pays for human sin?" and God will often prompt me a certain way or to a certain person...
Unveiled Artist
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BilliardsBall
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No, more like I've experienced a successful leading hundreds of times, as have millions of believers.
paarsurrey
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God talking
G-d does talk, if he wants to. I believe it is one of His attributes. Please
Regards
G-d does talk, if he wants to. I believe it is one of His attributes. Please
Regards
Unveiled Artist
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True. A lot of people do regardless their path in life. Is it the nature of thr successes that distinguishes it from other faiths in your opinion?
Moreso unique in its nature not its source?
Unveiled Artist
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How so?
Are there unique ways he communicates outside the usual ways all people who follows a mystic belief dont experience?
paarsurrey
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The ways are clearly mentioned in Quran. Does one want that I should quote them from Quran, please?
Regards
Unveiled Artist
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No. What I read and what you do will read differently. That, and Im a sacred book person. If youre able to explain it, to me, lets me know how close a person internalize their belief.