God talking

[Unveiled Artist]

until you experience it for yourself

Major discoveries... are not like the discovery of America, where the general nature of the discovered object is already known. Rather, they are like recognizing that one has been dreaming. — Paul Feyerabend

Are there god-experiences seperate from our minds' perception and expression of them?

Can you experience something of god without your mind interpreting whether your experiences are accurate and not from, say, joe smoe?

I mean, without your mind being the source, where do you process what you experience to where you know its from god?

Is it a feeling? Who interprets this feeling that you recongize it as such? Who are you without "awareness" of you in your relationship with god?

Mind being thought process including our cultural habits, understanding our spiritual practice in relation to our environment, our perception of whats spirtual (whats from god) and whats not, and a combination thereof.

 

[idea]

Are there god-experiences seperate from our minds' perception and expression of them?

Can you experience something of god without your mind interpreting whether your experiences are accurate and not from, say, joe smoe?

I mean, without your mind being the source, where do you process what you experience to where you know its from god?

Is it a feeling? Who interprets this feeling that you recongize it as such? Who are you without "awareness" of you in your relationship with god?

Mind being thought process including our cultural habits, understanding our spiritual practice in relation to our environment, our perception of whats spirtual (whats from god) and whats not, and a combination thereof.

Our minds are fascinating things aren't they? The first spirit all of us encounter, is our own spirit - our own mind - our conscience / self-awareness. What is this thing called mind? thought? intellligence? spirit? conscience? What is the difference between what is alive and what is dead? They say information cannot be destroyed - that nothing can be destroyed, the laws of thermodynamics, nothing magically appears and nothing magically disappears, and we have this thing - this mind - that did not magically appear from nothingness, nor will it disappear to nothingness. Information is eternal, cannot be destroyed... information vs. intelligence - for information to exist, something has to interpret it, transmit it, communicate it - what entity recognizes information? A dictionary has information, but is not alive.. this intelligence stuff, this is life. Call it a spirit, call it mind, thought, conscience - it exists... when you see that it exists within yourself, it is not too large of a stretch to see that it exists within others as well...

The universe is comprised of two basic building blocks - a) that which acts - life, and b) that which is acted upon. This thing that acts - it more than energy, more than information, - it is life.

It is about the nature of life - your own life, other lives, and all forms of life - everything from what we can see, to what we cannot see - life Call it what you will, different names from different people - but we all have it, we have this mind/spirit/conscience - it exists. We think, therefore mind/intelligence/spirit exists.

 

[idea]

We have that sort of thing in Hinduism. Different ‘lokas’ ruled by different deities. Depending on one’s devotion, one can go to the loka of that deity.

I think all the religious denominations are true to some extent - all being led by one spirit or another... it is our choice to decide which group fits best with our own spirit.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is about the nature of life - your own life, other lives, and all forms of life - everything from what we can see, to what we cannot see - life Call it what you will, different names from different people - but we all have it, we have this mind/spirit/conscience - it exists. We think, therefore mind/intelligence/spirit exists.

It seems the more I simplify life (awareness, god, so have you) to talk about it, the more it makes life mundane to where if its not put on high, it belittles the function of life in relationship within everyone and ourselves.

So, if I explain it by simple terms from the mind, its false. When I explain that same idea in poetic vague language with cultural terms, it has more meaning.

Has anyone really dug into what life is on simple terms without resorting to vague concepts, cultural jargon, scripture, and experiences only valid to the person who has them?

Whats wrong with god being mundane?

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

I noticed that (1) believers of both jehovah and (2) elievers in hindu god/desses

Talk as though gods have emotions, can do things, feel, and interact with believers. I always wondered:

1. When god talks to you, say "God said that we are loved; god saved us with his loving grace", does he say this to you directly? Is it a feeling put in poetic words? Is it from a sacred text that you internalize gods words as though god who spoke them are speaking directly to you?

2. I noticed in Hindu DIR, when someone speaks of, say, Vishnu (last Ive seen a good 'while ago), the believer spoke of their experiences in god as though god is interacting with them. So, if god interacts with you, you may say practically the same as above: gods love and compassion. Id have to find other examples, but the expressions are similar given regardless the religion, we have ideally the same senses from different sources.

Given that

When god(s) talk to you and interact, when you express it as god(s) did this and said that, is it (1) something you read and internalized? Someone spoke to you and said god loves you? (2) In your experiences and worship, do the gods communicate compassion and love? When you express it as though the gods speak and interact (which Ive seen it said in a Hindu DIR) something you "felt" the gods say and you find it best to express it in poetic language?

How do you guys express the gods interaction and from what sources (experience? Whatever) does it come and why do you express it as though god actually speaks and interacts and "gives" compassion?

Me and God have spoken to each other a few times. Some of it was nice at the time and some of it was bad.

 

[idea]

It seems the more I simplify life (awareness, god, so have you) to talk about it, the more it makes life mundane to where if its not put on high, it belittles the function of life in relationship within everyone and ourselves.

So, if I explain it by simple terms from the mind, its false. When I explain that same idea in poetic vague language with cultural terms, it has more meaning.

Has anyone really dug into what life is on simple terms without resorting to vague concepts, cultural jargon, scripture, and experiences only valid to the person who has them?

Whats wrong with god being mundane?

Life is both simple, and complex - defining what life is can be difficult:

Take viruses for example - Are Viruses Alive?
For about 100 years, the scientific community has repeatedly changed its collective mind over what viruses are. First seen as poisons, then as life-forms, then biological chemicals, viruses today are thought of as being in a gray area between living and nonliving:

Perhaps defining life is best left to the poets - some scientists would like to think the liberal arts fields are not valid, but this is not true - many people get degrees in liberal arts fields, liberal arts is used in many facets of life - it is a valid field, as valid as science, and it exists because, as you say, sometimes poetry is needed.

Can Science Define Life In Three Words?
"Defining life poses a challenge that’s downright philosophical..." When Portland State University biologist Radu Popa was working on a book about defining life, he decided to count up all the definitions that scientists have published in books and scientific journals. ..... Popa gave up counting after about 300 definitions."

If someone wants to elevate one form of life over another, if you want to call one of the more powerful spirits "G-d"? What makes a living being a G-d? All-powerful? I'm not sure that exists... all-knowing? not sure that exists either but all-loving? It would be neat if "all-loving" existed. If there was a spirit out there who was all-loving, I would be willing to call that spirit a G-d.

 

[stvdv]

Another question, why is it that we can usually not remember our previous existence? Is eternal existence monotonous death without new starts? a new name, a new shape, leaving behind our old shell to start a new life, a new existence... but there are some thing you would want to keep from previous existences. To keep the good, and leave the bad...

When I was little I had this amazing dog... I was an only child, so the dog and I were almost like siblings I guess, that is who I played with, that is who I spend my days with... The dog died as all of them do, and one night, while I was still groggy and forgetful, I heard what I thought was our dog panting next to the bed - a familiar sound, I called out to her, it felt like she was there - I heard her, when I could not see her, I remembered she was dead...

My parents had a dog and I loved him very much. Once I had him for a few week at my home. In that time I was depressed one day, and the dog came from another room and laid its head on my stomach. I got the message. And said "Oke, I know it's oke", and he walked away. About 1h later I got another depressed mood and again he came and put his head on my stomach. Again I said "oke, it's oke", and he walked away. When this dog died, my parents never told me at that time. But the dog came to me in a vision when he died. So yes to me it seems all true "talking to spirits of humans and animals, even when alive, but also when they are dead".

 

[stvdv]

Whats wrong with god being mundane?

Nothing wrong with "God being mundane". But after experience once "Divine Bliss" you are not satisfied with "God being mundane" anymore

 

[stvdv]

Another question, why is it that we can usually not remember our previous existence?

IMHO: It's Divine Grace that we don't recall previous existence. This life can be tough and if we evolve up then previous must have been worse. Anyway if "being in the now", "enlightenment" is the goal, there is no need to know the past. And "living in the past" is an obstacle when "being in the now" is the goal.

Quite interesting. If reincarnation exists, and if we don't remember, is that coincidence or Divine Grace? And if karma idea is true, then we do forget the past, but still get the consequences, so in a way we don't forget [it's just presented to us in a different experience]

 

[Ibni Abbas]

I found that the analogy for this question :


You cannot compare between Al Sahabi of Al Nabi SAW , but you already did , then why are you not settled ?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Nothing wrong with "God being mundane". But after experience once "Divine Bliss" you are not satisfied with "God being mundane" anymore

Mundane isnt non divine. Its seing divinity through humbleness and simplicity. Its basically saying, "I am humble before god to where I will live with you without worship."

I will be humble because in that simplicity, Inhave less ego and more clarity to live with you. Its a totally different way to see divinity.

Why and how is mundane non divine?

 

[Jainarayan]

I think all the religious denominations are true to some extent - all being led by one spirit or another... it is our choice to decide which group fits best with our own spirit.

This is something that's missed or dismissed by an overwhelmingly and distressingly high number of people.

 

[stvdv]

Why and how is mundane non divine?

I never said that. I just said the difference lies in "with or without Divine Bliss".

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I never said that. I just said the difference lies in "with or without Divine Bliss".

But after experience once "Divine Bliss" you are not satisfied with "God being mundane" anymore

I wanted to know, given once you experienced divine bliss, why god wouldnt be mundane anymore. I see nothing wrong with mundane and see it divine just as any other aspect of life.

Why and how is mundane non divine

How is mundane not divine to where once you experienced divine bliss you no longer see god as mundane?

(I usually dont ask questions in assumption of rephrasing what I think you said. Its asking for clarification)

 

[stvdv]

How is mundane not divine to where once you experienced divine bliss you no longer see god as mundane?

Google on the word "mundane" gives immediately on top:
1. lacking interest or excitement; dull.
2. of this earthly world rather than a heavenly or spiritual one.

Better than this I can't explain what I already explained.

 

[BilliardsBall]

How does jesus relate to your thoughts?

Is it something you read in scripture or something you just felt?

If the latter, how so?

The Holy Spirit enters someone who trusts Jesus for salvation and bring Word verses to mind and heart. More rarely, Jesus interacts with a person directly.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Google on the word "mundane" gives immediately on top:
1. lacking interest or excitement; dull.
2. of this earthly world rather than a heavenly or spiritual one.

Better than this I can't explain what I already explained.

Id say the latter, earthly, is just as divine as spiritual. Ibdont seperate the two. So what some call dull to me, that is just a part of divinity (say simplicity, say a nun or a monks life is dull but spiritual).

I understand the word, I just dont see dullness and earthly any less divine than spiritual....

So based on that, what makes blissfulless different than dullness and earthly (the mundane) when they both compliment each other?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The Holy Spirit enters someone who trusts Jesus for salvation and bring Word verses to mind and heart. More rarely, Jesus interacts with a person directly.

Why would it rare, though? If the holy spirit enters you, how does interact with you rather being dorment (as how Id see it)?

 

[Phantasman]

Maybe Paul was deceived. Maybe Paul is the deceiver. He said nothing of what Jesus said. Christianity is not based on Christ, it’s based on Paul.

How do you know what Jesus said? The Bible?

Compare "all" of the early Christian writings to get an idea of the teachings of the Spirit. Paul is right in line with the big picture, not the orthodox box created by the early catholic ideology.

Then "maybe" the mystery (Mark 4, Romans 11) will appear with little doubt, if any.

 

[Jainarayan]

How do you know what Jesus said? The Bible?

I don't know. Let me qualify by saying "what Jesus allegedly said". But what Jesus is alleged to have said is very similar to other older sayings... Krishna and the Buddha come to mind. Some truths are timeless, being perceived and spoken and taught by different persons at different times. Others are passed along in a thread. The saying "50 million Frenchmen can't be wrong" applies. Paul was not in that thread.