God

[Wandered Off]

God is perfect because God is 'Everything' - but - seperate everything and each piece is not perfect.

Assuming I could somehow separate a rock from everything, what would be imperfect about it? What do you mean by perfect? From here, it looks like another word overlaid on "everything" like "God"... How does "perfect" differ from "God" or from "everything"?

 

[Judgment]

Storm: Don't flatter yourself. I thought you might be interesting, you proved otherwise.

I thought you left. Be gone - you waste my time.

 

[Storm]

Nah. I like annoying the pretentious.

 

[Judgment]

gnomon: God is energy, in other words.

How is this anything more than an equivocation?

Or are you asserting that all energy is conscious? Or perhaps that the sum of energy is self-conscious? I think the latter is well established as beyond the capability of human intelligence to state as true.

We know that everything is energy. Glance close enough at matter and the energy is apparent - molecules, atoms, electrons, quarks.. little flickers of light that appear to be all places at once.

Yes I believe 'everything' is conscious. We do not know everything there is to know about human intelligence.

 

[Judgment]

Storm: Nah. I like annoying the pretentious.

Hmm, why is that... Do you already know everything? How are you so positive what I am about after a few posts?

 

[Beaudreaux]

I believe.... God is bigger than most religions realize & there is only one true God. God is every Atom & Molecule & Quark, God is your PC and the desk it sits on, God is Me & You, God is all of our thoughts, God is every Heaven & Hell... every religion, God is the Trees & Rocks & Oceans, God is the Earth & Solar System, God is the Galaxy & Universe - every Universe and every dream, God is - All That Is. Debate anyone?

If I'm God, then how come I still can't program my VCR?

 

[Storm]

Hmm, why is that... Do you already know everything? How are you so positive what I am about after a few posts?

Just going by your posts, dude. It's all up to you.

 

[gnomon]

We know that everything is energy. Glance close enough at matter and the energy is apparent - molecules, atoms, electrons, quarks.. little flickers of light that appear to be all places at once.

Yes I believe 'everything' is conscious. We do not know everything there is to know about human intelligence.

How is energy conscious?

Is the property of gravity a conscious decision between two elements?

Are the nuclear forces conscious?

What is conscious?

Of course energy is apparent. Asserting that energy is conscious is another thing entirely.

 

[Beaudreaux]

I believe.... God is bigger than most religions realize & there is only one true God. God is every Atom & Molecule & Quark, God is your PC and the desk it sits on, God is Me & You, God is all of our thoughts, God is every Heaven & Hell... every religion, God is the Trees & Rocks & Oceans, God is the Earth & Solar System, God is the Galaxy & Universe - every Universe and every dream, God is - All That Is. Debate anyone?

Would you agree then that you must say that God is the Nazi prison guard who executes a jewish child? That he is virus that chokes the life out of millions? That he is the hatred in the heart of a bigot who drags a young homosexual boy behind his pickup truck until he's dead?

 

[Storm]

Would you agree then that you must say that God is the Nazi prison guard who executes a jewish child? That he is virus that chokes the life out of millions? That he is the hatred in the heart of a bigot who drags a young homosexual boy behind his pickup truck until he's dead?

In order, yes, yes, and not quite. The hatred is an experience of God.

 

[Judgment]

Wandered Off: Assuming I could somehow separate a rock from everything, what would be imperfect about it? What do you mean by perfect? From here, it looks like another word overlaid on "everything" like "God"... How does "perfect" differ from "God" or from "everything"?

God is perfect - meaning God is 'complete' - there is nothing outside. Everything, if seperated - people, religions, planets all have flaws that can be seen and studied. BUT.. God is a combination of all that exists. Everything together as one.... the flaws disappear.

 

[Judgment]

Storm: Just going by your posts, dude. It's all up to you.

Well dude... You are showing me very little in return.

 

[methylatedghosts]

I believe.... God is bigger than most religions realize & there is only one true God. God is every Atom & Molecule & Quark, God is your PC and the desk it sits on, God is Me & You, God is all of our thoughts, God is every Heaven & Hell... every religion, God is the Trees & Rocks & Oceans, God is the Earth & Solar System, God is the Galaxy & Universe - every Universe and every dream, God is - All That Is. Debate anyone?

No debate, however curious as to why your screen name is "Judgment"

 

[methylatedghosts]

Does god being "complete" and "perfect" mean god is also changeless? For.. if something is perfect, why change it?

 

[Judgment]

gnomon:

How is energy conscious?

Is the property of gravity a conscious decision between two elements?

Are the nuclear forces conscious?

What is conscious?

Of course energy is apparent. Asserting that energy is conscious is another thing entirely.

Conscious is an understanding - but - not concious as you or I. My answers will not bring you closure in a debate- for my answers come from inner knowledge and understanding. Information I received from looking inward - My beliefs are centered in my faith.

 

[Beaudreaux]

In order, yes, yes, and not quite. The hatred is an experience of God.

God experiences himself? If God is everything, then how can the experience not be Him or at least his?

 

[methylatedghosts]

God experiences himself? If God is everything, then how can the experience not be Him or at least his?

Because to experience "self" you need to be able to compare it to the experience of "not-self". Else you have no reference point.

Just like, to experience "up" you also need to be able to compare it to the experience of "down". Same with "fast" and "slow. "Long" and "short". "Big" and "small".

 

[Storm]

God experiences himself? If God is everything, then how can the experience not be Him or at least his?

No, sorry, poor phrasing on my part. The hatred is one of God's experiences. Just like you experience your emotions without being defined by any one.

 

[Judgment]

Beaudreaux: Would you agree then that you must say that God is the Nazi prison guard who executes a jewish child? That he is virus that chokes the life out of millions? That he is the hatred in the heart of a bigot who drags a young homosexual boy behind his pickup truck until he's dead?

Everything is God. But only part of God. Free Will - Remember that?

We are not here to cry about the miseries of the human condition - BUT - to 'change' them to be more to our liking. The human race has taught the conscious mind to accept only data coming from the outside world... and has set up walls against inner knowledge. We are the spirit made flesh - but - the spirit 'is' that very inner knowledge and understanding that has been blocked out. The flesh creates it's reality with it's beliefs... the spirit helps bring about this reality in the outside world... the spirit knows the outcome of these beliefs and can indeed 'help' - but - the human race has largely cut itself off from this inner knowledge. If this knowledge was available to more - then many of the atrocities you see in the world today would not occur.

 

[Judgment]

Storm: No, sorry, poor phrasing on my part. The hatred is one of God's experiences. Just like you experience your emotions without being defined by any one.

Oh sorry - you do already know everything you need to know.